Charlie 66 Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 On 25/08/2024 at 11:13, Martin-369195 said: It does. On the plus side it tends to clear the family out of the house. Of course you can always turn the volumes down. Mine are all around 10 on the global volumes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Fox 17 Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 15 minutes ago, Charlie 66 said: Of course you can always turn the volumes down. Mine are all around 10 on the global volumes Better still stay with analogue without any sound lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin-369195 Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 A large part of my enjoyment in returning to the hobby is sound and HM 7000 when I compare it to my memories of my layout from forty years ago. Interestingly, it's the sound that gets an 'Oooh' from friends and family when the come round. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac202 Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 28 minutes ago, Martin-369195 said: A large part of my enjoyment in returning to the hobby is sound and HM 7000 when I compare it to my memories of my layout from forty years ago. Interestingly, it's the sound that gets an 'Oooh' from friends and family when the come round. Yes it is. And it was the synchronised sounds that drew me in to DCC as a newcomer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moawkwrd Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 1 hour ago, Mac202 said: Yes it is. And it was the synchronised sounds that drew me in to DCC as a newcomer. I thought the HM7000 chuffing wasn’t synchronised with wheel movements? It’s based on the speed step isn’t it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 1 hour ago, moawkwrd said: I thought the HM7000 chuffing wasn’t synchronised with wheel movements? It’s based on the speed step isn’t it? The regular TXS profiles are, but the SS profiles are synched by a wheel sensor disk, subject obviously to your loco having the smoke unit, as the SS profiles will not work with a regular loco, nor will a non-SS profile work with a smoker. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dBerriff Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 (edited) I find the speed-step method is quite effective. I resisted sound for years but I now find it adds to the general realism. Turn it off and I find it odd to see a locomotive moving around in near silence. Edited August 28 by dBerriff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moawkwrd Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 I’m the opposite, much prefer just to hear motor noise and the track. Sound without the steam and smell is just a sad caricature. Also gets annoying after a while because it’s identifiably repetitive (because it’s linked to speed steps). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landyman130 Posted August 30 Author Share Posted August 30 "Unfortunately you are tied into two products (TT120 locos and HM7000) which are currently exclusive to Hornby so you'll just have to wait (or spend more money on a DCC system). Originally I wasn't going to buy into HM7000 but was seduced by the relatively cheap price for DCC sound. I'm not sure whether this was a good idea or not" As the OP, I found that SMR248 wrote the first sensible response, having fully read my posting. A good idea or not, for me it's now rather too late to change. Then from Tim Allen - "If I were HM7K only like the OP I wouldn’t buy the J50 without the 6 pin decoder being either available or a few months away I.E. Not Expected Autumn 2025." This is exactly my problem. Then dBerriff wrote - "The OP does make an important point though. It is ok for us long-term modellers with an old Select or Elite available - we just buy a Dongle. But for anyone new who bought into the HM7000 and TT:120 infrastructure it does not look so good." From Martin-369195 - "A large part of my enjoyment in returning to the hobby is sound and HM 7000 when I compare it to my memories of my layout from forty years ago." Forty five years ago, I was playing about with Zero-One chips and OO, as I had access to the Texas Instrument development chips. Now aged 80 with poor eyesight in one eye and not so steady with a soldering iron, my skills are somewhat limited! I've just received my third sound fitted loco and the J50 would be ideal in front of my small collection of goods wagons. I would not want sound for this loco with the others chuffing away. Thanks for all the replies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig-803583 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 2 hours ago, Landyman130 said: I've just received my third sound fitted loco and the J50 would be ideal in front of my small collection of goods wagons. I would not want sound for this loco with the others chuffing away. I'm interested in the J50 as well, but I'll wait until they have a chip for it that does bluetooth or a factory fitted option. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peachy Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 On 27/08/2024 at 08:21, 96RAF said: Haha - I wonder if the test team are as well informed. Do you know if the Beta team have actually tested a HM7000 6 pin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 8 hours ago, Peachy said: Do you know if the Beta team have actually tested a HM7000 6 pin? There are no 6-pins available to test yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelton Junction Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 Hindsight etc, wonder if hornby designers considered getting an 8 pin into the J50 in the early stages, then thought better of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peachy Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 (edited) 1 hour ago, Skelton Junction said: Hindsight etc, wonder if hornby designers considered getting an 8 pin into the J50 in the early stages, then thought better of it. I’m guessing it’s too late for the J50? I do wonder though if they’ll come to the decision of accepting the 08 & J50 will have to be either used ; A. plain DC B. Using another brands DCC decoder At least for the foreseeable future, whilst for the time being shelving Simon Kohlers marketing gimmick of a cheep 6pin and ensuring any other smaller loco projects are designed to accept an 18 pin (seeing as it’s the same size board as a HM7000 8pin) Who knows what clever & smaller products/components might appear one day? But certainly for now I’m going to be working out how to hardwire an 8 pin into these smaller locos. (After all, it’s just 2 wires that need soldering to the pick-up connectors & 2 to the motor. These tabs are easily accessible and the 8pin already has long enough wires pre-soldered) Edited August 31 by Peachy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris98 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 Exactly why I will not (for now) be buying any smaller loco. For me a new loco should be fully compatible with hm7000 and ready to go with the option of sound. I know we are all different but to have to diy a loco or send it off to have a chip fitted is a bit of an oversight by hornby. If others can fit the chips in the 08's and J50's (when released) why can't hornby? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rallymatt Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 (edited) I think we have covered this ground before but Hornby does not just sell locos to people on HM 7000 so a wider view for model release is adopted. The 6pin issue is about components availability so although it would be nice to have it, when a delay out of Hornby’s control rears its head, they still need to press on with the loco project. I was told that HM 7000 6 pin isn’t itself being shelved, but is actively being worked on. Perhaps the price will need to go up? That said, the fact it’s not with test team means it’s definitely not about to land in shops this year. Cramming various components into 08 etc is often possible for a DIY enthusiast or specialist, partly because they are prepared to snip bits off here and grind areas off there etc. That’s a non starter for a manufacturer, it becomes so labour intensive and potentially affects integrity of model/components that it’s not commercially viable. There are plenty of locos on the market that can’t accommodate various tech, I have a Piko V90 that is sold DCC ready with a PluX16 socket, but can only take the smallest commercially available basic decoder, it’s not a tiny loco either! It’s my only non sound loco. Edited August 31 by Rallymatt Improved wording, MK2 version 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac202 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 On 27/08/2024 at 12:07, moawkwrd said: I thought the HM7000 chuffing wasn’t synchronised with wheel movements? It’s based on the speed step isn’t it? As a newcomer to all this the fact that the engines chuffs slowly at slow speeds and fast at fast speeds is brilliant and synchronisation enough for me. Whether the chuff coincides with exact movement of the valve gear would seem to be something of a mute point in TT scale. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peachy Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 My guess (based on conversations with people far more tech savvy than me) is that the issue with the 6pin is less to do with availability of components and more to do with issues of the 6 pin not being able to support Bluetooth reliably. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rallymatt Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 Interesting suggestion but that in itself points back to components. In my simplistic way of looking at it, Id be looking to have a flexible/separate antenna a bit like the same way DCC Concepts and TrainOmatic have approached stay alives for small spaces. Not that I claim any expertise 😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moawkwrd Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 2 hours ago, Mac202 said: As a newcomer to all this the fact that the engines chuffs slowly at slow speeds and fast at fast speeds is brilliant and synchronisation enough for me. Whether the chuff coincides with exact movement of the valve gear would seem to be something of a mute point in TT scale. Not really when many people have expressed exactly that dissatisfaction on this forum. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntpntpntp Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 4 hours ago, Mac202 said: Whether the chuff coincides with exact movement of the valve gear would seem to be something of a mute point in TT scale. Sorry but it irritates me when I see videos of N, TT and even 00 model steam locos running with sound but with the chuff rate obviously wrong. Usually far too slow for the speed of wheel rotation. That said, sound in small scales doesn't impress me at all and usually gets turned off in any sound fitted model I own. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMR248 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 So definitely a "mute" point 😀 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 4 hours ago, Peachy said: My guess (based on conversations with people far more tech savvy than me) is that the issue with the 6pin is less to do with availability of components and more to do with issues of the 6 pin not being able to support Bluetooth reliably. Cobblers. We do not have a 6-pin to test yet but we know the spec and there is an anomaly due to there being no CV12 switch, so operation will depend upon power source to the track. The manual does speak to this already. BT capability is (will be) fine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rallymatt Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 9 minutes ago, SMR248 said: So definitely a "mute" point 😀 I so nearly said this but I had a word with myself. Thanks for taking it on 👍🤣 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilmson Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 (edited) 2 hours ago, ntpntpntp said: Sorry but it irritates me when I see videos of N, TT and even 00 model steam locos running with sound but with the chuff rate obviously wrong. Usually far too slow for the speed of wheel rotation. That said, sound in small scales doesn't impress me at all and usually gets turned off in any sound fitted model I own. You are not the only one who is confused by the asynchronous number of blasts relative to the wheel revolution. Normally, you have one forward thrust and one reverse thrust per drive rod, and with 2 drive rods, these are offset by 90° to each other. So with a locomotive with two pistons, you hear 4 thrusts per revolution (2x2). With this background knowledge, my brain gets tangled up when I listen to the HM7000 steam chuffs. As nice and inexpensive as the sound decoder is, I would like Hornby to offer an easy option via app of adjusting the number of steam chuffs to the speed level (i.e. adjusted via the 128 DCC levels, some only run with 14 or 28 levels) But regardless of the steam chuffs, there is one thing I cannot do without on the sound decoder. And that is the locomotive whistle. Using the CV-programming, there ist a way to change the chuff curve: Edited August 31 by Ilmson I had to correct myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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