My name is Bond Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 I actually and unexpectedly watched the Class 43 Midland Blue Pullman pass through my local station the other day without any warning. It just appeared and then just as quickly was gone on its way to Worcester and beyond. Looked terrific. I don't know what the licensing costs are but wouldn't it be great if Hornby produced this livery in TT:120 with appropriate coaches of course. Maybe as a 5 car train pack even. I would be happy to run this alongside any of the existing HST liveries as not too fussed about Era perfection. Would others be interested in such a model? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Fox 17 Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 4 minutes ago, My name is Bond said: Would others be interested in such a model? NO, to me the Midland Pullman was a specially built set of trains, 6 coaches on the LM and 8 coaches on the WR. They were proper Pullmans not some old BR stock disguised as Pullmans (even done on Heritage railways with Mk1's). The proper Midland Pullman had a distinctive nose shape. I guess many may not have seen the originals, or even know of them, and would therefore be happy with it but not me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My name is Bond Posted September 2 Author Share Posted September 2 Accept that the original Midland Blue Pullman was a unique DMU, as a livery option for existing TT:120 Class 43 motor car and coach tooling it would make an interesting and low cost alternative livery for the TT:120 Class 43 offering. And as a DMU it does run across most of the mainline network. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rallymatt Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 As the 43 is firmly in the TT:120 range now, I am sure at some point that livery will be offered. There are so many livery options on the 43 to go at now. I must admit I do like the retro Midland Pullman look. It’s even better in real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Fox 17 Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 6 minutes ago, Rallymatt said: I must admit I do like the retro Midland Pullman look. It’s even better in real life. I have seen both and personally no comparison for me lol. As Matt says it will most likely be done sometime and I think Bachmann or someone has done it in 00 or N. If it does come out then it will save me some money while waiting for the original one. I wonder how many of our TT modellers actually saw the original ones, my guess is a fair bit less than half and would obviously love the present version. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen-1260829 Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 as @Silver Fox 17 says ..."If it does come out then it will save me some money while waiting for the original one. I wonder how many of our TT modellers actually saw the original ones, my guess is a fair bit less than half and would obviously love the present version"... I only became aware of the 'blue' HST from an advert by a model manufacturer and I thought that this was a spoof colour scheme and did not realise that it was an actual bona-fide livery 🙂 🙂 . Only when I watched a documentary about the HST 125 did I realise !!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My name is Bond Posted September 2 Author Share Posted September 2 (edited) Even better video with an opportunity to use wheel squeel if you have sound decoder! Edited September 2 by My name is Bond 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_watts1 Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 Even though at the moment I am trying to stick to era 3, 4 and 5 modelling I would buy a Blue Pullman HST since the chances of getting the original are slim to none. Of course this might be a mistake as it opens the flood gates for other modern era stuff I like, but can't really afford.🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les-345151 Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 11 minutes ago, david_watts1 said: I would buy a Blue Pullman HST since the chances of getting the original are slim to none. Maybe Hornby still have the Triang design references for the original, albeit that RTR model was somewhat compromised for its contemporary train set market and production abilities. On the other hand if Bachmann were to be convinced of a viable TT120 market they already produce excellent models of the original in OO and N and a switch to an in-between scale would be fairly simple for them to do, and it would remain a talisman model for them for many years. I am still somewhat surprised that we have not seen any mention by of a TT120 Brighton Belle of which we can have their own branded OO and Arnold N Gauge offerings. I find this particularly odd as Pullman is a bit of a Hornby 'thing' that already features prominently in their TT120 range. And I for one would buy any of the Blue Pullman iterations, but only in Nanking Blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Allen Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 Looks good but wouldn't be for my layout unfortunately. Fingers crossed it eventually comes out for those who want it 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuLarge Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 I would absolutely buy one, looked great on Pete Waterman's Making Tracks Layout at GETS... Only original I have seen was the Tri-ang 00 model 👍🏼 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby11 Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 (edited) Triang have never done the HST Midland Pullman. Some if you seem to be mixing up the original Blue Pullman with the recent HST repaint! Edited September 2 by Hobby11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukpetey Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 I’d buy one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy tt Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 (edited) @Hobby11my mum bought me the original triang blue pullman for me it was in a old small toy shop in the good old 1960s. im not sure what year it was 68 or 69 or 1972 i was young 6 or 7 i had it for xmas the box was yellow in side i think the box art was great with the blue pullman on it speeding by i loved😍 the set i had it for 8 years then i sold all my trains no time for trains at 14 or 15 lol i seen one for sale in market in a very bad box about 6 years ago £80 i had a look it was in a bad state no walk away im not sure about the year late 60s or up to 72 😊 Edited September 2 by happy tt me instead of my Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rallymatt Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 The artwork on boxes back then was fantastic, it was perhaps more than the contents but something that caught our imaginations. 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby11 Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 10 hours ago, happy tt said: I'm not sure about the year late 60s or up to 72 😊 It was launched in 1963, I had one as well. Though if you wanted accuracy then the Kitmaster kits were the way to go, though they could easily be spoilt by a poor paint job (as mine were!). For @Rallymatt: http://www.tri-ang.co.uk/rs52set.html Before I retired as a Guard last year I saw the HST version of the BP twice, once at Leeds and once at Newcastle. I can safely say it's the best colour scheme ever for the HST and really brings back the nostalgia. I was spotting when the originals were still around but too young to travel to see them, though I did see the WCML Manchester Pullmans which were repainted Mks and looked very impressive in Manchester Piccadilly station! 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Fox 17 Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 Kitmaster made the kitchen cars which Tri-ang never did so I had a couple of those in the Tri-ang rake. I was satisfied with the Tri-ang power and trailer cars. In fact still have a near mint 6 car set that I 3-railed, sadly the old kitchen cars went years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby11 Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 The main issue with the Triang ones were the bogies, standard BR Mk1s, other than that they certainly looked the part. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rallymatt Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 It’s a point people often overlook when they mention how expensive the hobby is now. Hornby (old Meccano days) and Triang both produced masses of models using common parts and stuff only really ever looked ‘close ish’ Now we have manufacturers changing the smallest details to match liveries and running numbers. There is definitely a charm to the old models, possibly just nostalgia, but TT:120 still amazes me with the detailing. The cheapest piece of rolling stock is the 21t mineral wagon, it’s superbly detailed. If Hornby produces the original Blue Pullman, I can imagine all the details will be spot on. 😁 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dBerriff Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 (edited) I was able to run the OO gauge Bachmann Midland Pullman yesterday on a large layout and that is a classy model. It is also popular with our visitors. Would I like to see it in TT:120? Of course, but it would be such a specialist tooling that I do not expect it. A Class 43 would be the next best thing and as that is what can be seen today, then it does make business sense and I have to agree that it is an attractive colour scheme. Edited September 3 by dBerriff 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rallymatt Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 I don’t think the tooling would be a problem, honestly it would probably sell better in TT:120 than in OO, most other models are doing. I don’t think it would be for a while though. It’s taken Bachmann years to get round to the OO version. It’s been requested so many times in past 30 years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Fox 17 Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 Bachmanns 00 model came out about 12 years ago, it was while I was still doing 3-rail but at the time it was £450 so I never bought it and stayed with my Tri-ang one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby11 Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 (edited) 4 hours ago, Rallymatt said: It’s a point people often overlook when they mention how expensive the hobby is now. Hornby (old Meccano days) and Triang both produced masses of models using common parts and stuff only really ever looked ‘close ish’ Yes, we discussed that on another thread. I'd be happy with some slight differences in chassis dimensions for more loco variety, most people wouldn't notice the odd mm here and there and for stock with bogies producing different sideframes is far easier than a whole new chassis. But it won't happen as it's all got to be exact these days. I'm afraid the quest for "exact scale" has knackered things! Edited September 3 by Hobby11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rallymatt Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 If things were purposely made ‘wrong’ there are people who would have an absolute field day on their carpet and ignore the reasoning behind it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTSR_NSE Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 1 minute ago, Rallymatt said: If things were purposely made ‘wrong’ there are people who would have an absolute field day on their carpet and ignore the reasoning behind it. And yet they accept that all OO is purposely made ‘wrong’ to actually fit the track! 🤦♂️ 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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