Steam - Where to next?

[LCDR]

 Now that Hornby seems to have adopted the Southern ex LSWR and LNER ex GER sections as their own specialism (ex LSWR/SR - T9, N15, M7, 700, 0415, MN  & ex GER / LNER B12, J15, D16, and B17) Can we expect some more little gems from these prototype areas?

How about the Urie S15 , D15 and C14  from the SR (SW) and the E4, N7 and J70 from the LNE (GE)?

 

Or

 

Is it now time to look at other sections?

 

What about the North Eastern, Caledonian or North British? Huge chunks of British Railways as yet untapped? These three major companies have hardly been noticed by the RTR sector. So far all the previous offerings for these are either from ancient and inaccurate tooling, or of obscure prototypes.

 

 

[Postman Prat]

 

Hi LC&DR

 

One loco only from each of the NER, NB and Caledonian. The NER class J72 isn't a bad effort but the Caley 'Single' and the NB J83 are better when they are out of production. Really dire!!

[LCDR]

 PP sadly you are absolutely right, I suppose you could include that rather sorry little Caley 'Pug; which is right down at the toy end.

It is odd how Hornby has themed its steam range with a plethora of SR / LSWR and LNER / GER types. Funnily enoughg the ex LSWR has done exceedingly well with the 0298 from Kernow, the O2 about to appear from the same source, and a B4 promised by Hattons. The GER hasn't done quite so well with only Hornby making these, and no GER coaches either, while both Hornby and Hattons will be making carriages for ex LSWR branch lines.  Bachmann doesn't seem to be quite as obsessed with a single railway, although the GCR has done well with three, same for the LB&SCR if you also count Hornby's A1X, the LNWR, Midland and SECR with two apiece. With LMS / SDJR derivatives they do actually make a few extra Midland types. Great Western I think are pretty much 'Honours Even' between the makers, and fairly dominant as one would expect. (King, Castle, Grange, Modified Hall, 2884, 38xx, 45xx, 43xx, 94xx, 52xx/72xx, 57xx, 8750, 64xx, 90xx, City, 14xx, etc, etc,) It is quite clear which railway is 'favourite' !

Hornby has provided a couple of GNR types (N2 and J52) with a J50 to come, which with Bachmann/NRM doing the C2 actually does the GNR fairly well.  You can of course add the A1 which would put the GNR up with the GWR and LSWR.

 

So the northern parts of Britain are long overdue some locos.

[Postman Prat]

 

North/South divide along with the general attitude that 'England means London and the South East'?

 

I'd forgotten the 'Caley Pug' - at least that does capture the spirit of the loco, even though they used a 10inches to the foot ruler!!

[LCDR]

 Funny but it depends who you speak to as to where 'The North' begins. When I was a kid 'The North' was anywhere north of Bermonsey, so Tottenham was a northern football club!!.  However after moving to Sheffield 'The South' was anywhere south of Horns Bridge. (for those unfamiliar with Chesterfield, Horns Bridge was a peculiar three level bridge south of the station where the LD&ECR crossed the Midland, which in turn crossed the GCR along side the Derby Road), it was where the Eastern Region stopped and the Midland Region started. Later when I moved to Prudhoe on Tyne,  Durham was 'South'. Living now as I do  in darkest North Yorkshire - South is anywhere from Doncaster downwards, and anything north of the Tees might as well be in Scotland! :-)

 

[Postman Prat]

 

You're only a 'Northerner' if you come from north of the Tees.

 

Without doubt Yorkshire is the Midlands !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Postman Prat]

 

I don't know what you are, LC, other than confused.

 

You mentioned the C2 Atlantic earlier. I thought it was the C1, several people have said about converting it to the LBSC Atlantic but that will mess up those ideas.

[2e0dtoeric]

How about something from the Cheshire Lines Committee. There's plenty of LMS about, but nothing that pre-dates it, until you get back to the Rocket!

[Fazy]

So the 3F, 4F midlands, , L&Y 2-4-2ts, pug,    LNWR The coal tank 0-6-2t soon to be released. And the super D's but the boiler needs back dating on that one.

 don't count then.

 

[LCDR]

How about something from the Cheshire Lines Committee. There's plenty of LMS about, but nothing that pre-dates it, until you get back to the Rocket!

Ah the good old Cheshire Lines Committee!

In 1929 Sentinel supplied four steam railcars to the CLC, so I presume you are referring to these?

[LCDR]

 

I don't know what you are, LC, other than confused.

 

You mentioned the C2 Atlantic earlier. I thought it was the C1, several people have said about converting it to the LBSC Atlantic but that will mess up those ideas.

No need, it will be coming out as an LBSC H2 Atlantic at some time, I already have one on pre-order.

[Postman Prat]

 

Re my comment about you being confused. I am now, as well.

 

The large Atlantic was the C1, I assume that's what you meant.

 

[Buz]

Hi all

How about some odd ones.

Like the USA Transport Corps ones left behind after WW II I mean new scale ones not recycled TC ones

Buffers fitted No Bells other UK requirments make them markedly different to the TC ones and perhaps  the rolling stock left behind  as well I know some went into the Grouping companies after the war to fill shortages and lasted longer than it was expected to.

Dare I say it how about a couple of scrap loco's as a wagon pack 2 X loco's and two brake vans

supply your own noise box on wheels to haul it train could be going to Barry  :-( Or at a stretch from Barry to a site for preservation :-)

When It comes to North of the border where do you start HR Castle Perhaps

CR river class?? Jones Goods ah yes NB brake van to go with the

The catalogue brown Austerity and the matching wemmes (spelling) for Harburn Hobbies coal wagons

regards John

[Buz]

Hi all

Oh dear I forgot the wagon pack needs a wagon with a removable dummy load of the coupling

rods and other odds and ends  that where removed from the loco's so they can be moved as a train.

Why did I think of that it.

It would make an interesting and unusual train requires only one new mould,

I can think of for the wagon load.

Also for the people that like to operate trains it is a PITA as its slow and has to be by passed by everything

even slow goods trains. so for them it would be and interesting train movement.

regards John

[2e0dtoeric]

Buz put (snipped) how about a couple of scrap loco's as a wagon pack - - it would look a bit odd on a roundy-roundy tailchaser, though!  :-)

I've already done that with a couple of ancient battered junk-box loco's with deceased (and removed) pancake motors - sometimes they're bound for a scrap-yard, and sometimes they are dummy double-headers.

[Alessio]

For clarification, the real north begins with South Yorkshire in the East and Crewe in the West! Except that it also skirts around the top of Derbyshire in between, as Derbyshire is definitely the Midlands! (This from a Yorkshireman. Glossop and Buxton, you don't count!)

 

 

[tyneside emu]

For clarification, the real north begins with South Yorkshire in the East and Crewe in the West! Except that it also skirts around the top of Derbyshire in between, as Derbyshire is definitely the Midlands! (This from a Yorkshireman. Glossop and Buxton, you don't count!)

 

according to some of my work colleagues from the north they travel up to London?? so I assume they travel down to the north?, clearly an issue with geography I'm wondering was this the same with the train companies.

 

 

 

[LCDR]

 Nearly all train companies regarded trains to London as 'Up' and trains from London as 'Down', they measured mileages on the main lines from London too.

 

There were exceptions and anomalies.

 

The Midland Railway started at Derby for trains heading South West. Also with two routes from Derby or Nottingham to London (three if you could go via Birmingham, which of course they didn't) UP trains between Trent Junction and Nottingham could easily pass anothger UP train going in the opposite direction.  So for a Midland passenger going to Burton or Gloucester or Bath you were travelling down from Derby, even though though were going south.

 

The Manchester Sheffield and Lincolnshire Railway (Later the Great Central) used UP for trains to  Grimsby and Cleethorpes and DOWN for trains from Cleethorpes to Sheffield. However the mileages were measured in the opposite direction with zero at Manchester Picadilly, or Marshgate Doncaster for the line from there via Scunthorpe.

 

Up trains can depart Hastings, Maidstone West, Ramsgate or Dover Priory at opposite ends of the station.  Same at Newcastle Central, and in theory Sheffield Midland too.

 

The Welsh were much more pragmatic. Up means uphill. So a train from Cardiff going up the valley goes UP. Same with the Ffestiniog in North Wales.

 

London Underground would have no truck with the up / down nonsense. They use Eastbound, Westbound, Southbound or Northbound, unless you are on the Circle line or Hainault loop when it is 'inner rail' or 'outer rail'. This can cause anomalies with lines like the Picadilly line where the route is 'U' shaped. Trains going north towards Co  ckfosters are still Eastbound!

 

We are British, nothing is ever logical or straightforward!

[Postman Prat]

For clarification, the real north begins with South Yorkshire in the East ..........

 Total rubbish. The Real north starts at Darlington !!!!!

 

[LCDR]

For clarification, the real north begins with South Yorkshire in the East ..........

 Total rubbish. The Real north starts at Darlington !!!!!

 

If my daughter (who lives in Scotland )is to be believed North starts at Stirling!

[Postman Prat]

 We're talking about North of England so Stirling don't count

[walkingthedog]

North is anywhere that's not south of where you are, The North starts in Hemel Hempstead. 

[bluesparkdave]

Originally I'm from the SW of Scotland but now live in Rochdale. I'd like to think I'm still in the North although when I lived in Scotland I used to think of all England as being down south! Anyway I would like an ex Caledonian Railway 0-6-0 tender loco, any of them would do, but if really pushed I would like a Jumbo in BR early crest livery!

[Bulver]

As a man of Middlesex, I live north of the Thames, anything the other side of the river is south.  However, I live in North Harrow, which is geographically west of the town centre, and almost parallel with South Harrow!  The village? I reside in was originally called Hooking Green,but when the Met came, the powers that be decided that they had to include the main Town name, so they skewed the compass and put us north!  Therefore, a Met tank with some ready-built carriages would be lovely, to go with the new 'S' stock available from the LT Museum...... Some hopes, eh?

[GWR LNER fan 4472]

How about some of the small branch line locos such as the ones on the South Wales Valleys lines? The Rhymney Railway 'A', 'R', 'J', 'Q', 'M', 'S', and 'P' classes look quite nice, all are 0-6-2Ts apart from the 'S' class which is 0-6-0. The 'J' and 'Q' classes are saddle tanks. Also my favorite tank engine: the GWR 2-6-2 4500 class in early BR livery.