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I’ve been having a look around the internet... Bachmann models can quote early or late on fitted stock. This example also has the black data panel. http://www.burevalleymodels.com/p/11382/38-578---12-Ton-Fish-Van-BR-Bauxite-(Late)-Weathered A discussion on fitted stock paint colours. This includes a date of 1963 for the introduction of a “box” of white lines around the wagon number, etc. on the left hand end of wagons. https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/140737-br-bauxite-early-and-late/ A lot of paint information here. This has 1964 as a key livery specification change, including the “boxes” around the lettering and the introduction of the black data panels. The actual dates that features were applied would vary as wagons came due for attention. https://quornwagonandwagon.co.uk/2020/05/31/featurette-3-br-goods-vehicle-paint-schemes/ A really good feature on lettering styles here. Part 1. 1948-1963. https://quornwagonandwagon.co.uk/2020/05/03/featurette-1-br-goods-vehicle-markings/ Part 2. 1964 to 1973. https://quornwagonandwagon.co.uk/2020/05/10/featurette-2-br-goods-vehicle-markings/ The Quorn Wagon Works features index page. A lot here, including the above features on liveries. https://quornwagonandwagon.co.uk/features/ Some data on dates here. https://farnhammrc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/BR-Dates.pdf

Nope, the photo shews a brown van. Not grey.wink Apparently there are two basic shades of “brake fitted stock bauxite”. I can’t remember the changeover date. The Van in the photo has a black data panel. As far as I know, these panels are a later feature. Again, I don’t know the introduction date.

@ GS There is an issue with posting. Only one post then no more allowed for 5 minutes. Therefore, if you try to edit a post within 5 minutes of posting it, the edit does not post, even though you can do the editing... There is a notification, but this is at the top of the screen, and very easy to miss. Only 1 post every 5 minutes is allowed. Please try again later. The only way to edit a post is to wait 5 minutes before editing. Apparently this is a known feature...wink

Certainly the livery is simplified on the Railroad models. There were only two Shire locos made by Hornby, before they changed the tooling to make the Hunt Class. ”Cheshire” in LNER green, and “Yorkshire” in BR lined black, early crest. There have been more Hunt Class locos made. So, if you want a Shire, then an older body is the only way to go, other than modifying a Hunt body. The tender used came from the Footballer, 4-6-0. It seems that most of the 4-4-0 tenders only had one vacuum tank on the back of the tender, rather than the two supplied by Hornby. The tanks fit onto two lugs, which need to be removed from the tender body, from the tank that is removed... Photos of the real locos help... At the end of the day, if you want the more complete livery, then it’s worth while sourcing an older, Main Range loco, and swapping the loco and tender bodies. You can always sell on the older chassis fitted with the Railroad bodies. The Railroad tenders have a transverse bulkhead inside that needs to be removed to clear the tender drive motor. It’s not too difficult, but take care when using sharp tools!

The Hornby Tender Drive LNER Shire and Hunt 4-4-0 locos can also be upgraded using the Railroad Hunt chassis. I have done this...

Ahhhh. So, that would explain why I couldn’t get an edit to “take” on a previous post. I tried a few times, and I didn’t see any notice...well not one that I noticed! wink

Hi GS... Yes, the Terriers were from Mr. Stroudley, and originally carried IEG.... Mr. Marsh changed a lot of things, and a lot of locomotives lost their names, as well as getting painted brown. blush

As far as I know, the LBSCR liveried E2 Hornby models were in “Marsh Umber”. Mr. Marsh came after Mr. Stroudley as CME of the LB&SCR...wink

There is also a system using cord (string) made by Ratio. It started off with the later partly assembled Ratio signal kits. It was later released as a stand alone system, with another set being developed to work modified PECO type (like current Hornby) points. Just thought I’d mention it for completeness.wink grinning Signals... https://www.petersspares.com/ratio-250-remote-control-for-signals-n-oo-gauge.ir Points... https://www.petersspares.com/ratio-138-point-control-unit-oo-gauge.ir

The Airfix Lowmac and JCB load kit was separated into two kits by Dapol, who still market them. The JCB is a good model of an earlier model. Oxford Diecast make metal and plastic JCB models, of various types, modern ones too. For the 1930s, agricultural machinery, tractors, smaller steam engines and rollers, are available. Lowmac is a code name derived from Low Machinery Wagon.

I believe that the GWR did have TPO trains. But the design was probably different from the Hornby LMS designed models....

This is the Hornby Dublo version of the operating Royal Mail Traveling Post Office (TPO) van. Pictured is the 3-rail version, Hornby Dublo also made a 2-rail version. The current Hornby models use basically the same mechanical system as the Tri-ang Railways Operating TPO sets, starting with the R.23 in 1955. http://www.hornbyguide.com/item_details.asp?itemid=855 Playcraft Railways also made a similar operating TPO set, but to HO gauge scale.

The basic design may be unchanged... They were at one time made from red plastic though. wink

A Tri-ang shunter with a working front light? That sounds like the R.253 Dock Shunter... This is basically the motor bogie from the Tri-ang Transcontinental range with a body fitted. The motor is integral with the chassis, and is not removable.. You would have to send the entire chassis for servicing. A Service Sheet.

Most wagons would use either the spoked or 3 hole disk wheels. The holes are used to insert sprags, a rod that wedges against a part of the chassis, to prevent the wheel rotating. A form of hand brake. Sprags were originally used with spoked wheels. Solid disk wheels are usually used on coaching stock. I think that 3 hole disk wheels would probably be the best on these cattle wagons.

According to my information, the studs do not have anything moulded on them. No, not made by Lego... https://uk.bassettlowke.co.uk/catalogue/brickpunk?

No Tri-ang Hornby Flying Scotsman locos were fitted with smoke units. The Synchrosmoke unit can’t be fitted due to the motor position. The Seuthe type could possibly be arranged to fit, but wasn’t being fitted by that time. The last Hornby Plastic unit could possibly be fitted, but wasn’t... RS 508 is the reference number of the complete Train Set. R Set... http://www.hornbyguide.com/item_details.asp?itemid=445 Smoke unit fitted locos had the S as a suffix... e.g. R.52S, a smoke unit fitted “Jinty” locomotive. Later Hornby Railways Flying Scotsman locos were not actually fitted with the Firebox Glow wiring, bulb, cover plate, or coloured plastic window at the factory. The cast box remaining as it is a vital part of the loco chassis. wink

Typical....you can pay more, for the one with less parts, and easier assembly at the factory....wink

The Hattons locos were a DJM model. Nothing whatsoever to do with the Airfix Railway System / GMR / Mainline / Dapol / Hornby / Hornby Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends / Hornby Railroad derived models. Other than the same prototype locos....wink

https://uk.hornby.com/products/br-75t-breakdown-crane-era-6-r4312 Actually, this link is for the Railroad Pullman Car Rosemary! R4312 thinking_face

https://uk.hornby.com/products/br-75t-breakdown-crane-era-6-r4312 Actually, this link is for the Railroad Pullman Car Rosemary! R4312 thinking_face

Hornby has made at least two versions of “Rosemary”. Main Range, and Railroad models. Main Range. http://www.hornbyguide.com/item_details.asp?itemid=3104 Railroad. https://www.gaugemasterretail.com/magento/hornby-r4312.html The Railroad model seems to be currently available...

With eBay, there are options for organising the list of items... One is lowest price including postage. Select that, and you can find the cheaper options more easily! wink

Images of the Hornby Titfield Train pack. https://www.hattons.co.uk/60234/hornby_r3186_trains_on_film_titfield_thunderbolt_train_pack_with_14xx_lowmac_toad_brake_van_/stockdetail.aspx In the film, the train represented in the set was actually hauled by “Lion”, as “Thunderbolt”...