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Enthusiasts:
You are aware that you can simply print your own?
<a href="https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2022/06/hobby-tutorial-make-your-own-custom-decal-sheets.html"> Make your own decals </a>
[so even a direct insertion of hyperlink code doesn't work. The person who made this code should be frog marched back to his computer]
Bee
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There was a request, on youTube, to show that Rocket is really pulling Lion and the consist along and that Lion was not pushing Rocket. That's included!
To mix things up a bit, I had the locomotives pull 9 Accurascale chaldrons. The chaldrons do not use pin point bearings and exert quite a bit more resistive force. Lion can be made to wheel slip when pulling this load.
The chaldrons use Accurascale's magnetic couplings, while Hornby uses a fine scale peg and chain. The adapter here is an improvement over previous adapters. If anything, I will go for a finer wire next time, 0.025" was too big for totally free movement. The wire could move on the peg, but smaller would be better
Bee
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This Jennifer Kirk video may be of some interest to those who have the Fell
Bee
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Well spotted Going Spare! The splasher shape tells the tale!
@jj - now you must get the locomotive in the image! Keyser Ks kit 19-042 is a Spinner, per Hattons, in OO
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Hi JJ
The artistic rendering of arches with proper perspective puts paid to any thought that the artist was a child. So if the artist wasn't a child, then the artist was born possibly as late as 1894, making the artist 14 in 1908. That's still fairly young for a technical illustration, but feasible.
Median age of death, per the UK government, for a person born before 1900 is 52 years for males and 57 years for females. Since we cannot assume the artist male, I will use 57 years.
1894 + 57 = 1951
In, just under the wire!!
Of course, oil based artists typically do NOT meet life expectancy norms, falling far short as a function of the toxic materials they immerse themselves in.
Bee
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I think you are fairly safe on the copyright JJ.
British law provides copyright protection for artistic works, 70 years after the death of the artist.
I found your image as part of the Mary Evans Picture Library, Wentworth Collection, the image dated 1908. That seems about right for a Midland Compound, wikipedia says 45 of them built between 1902 and 1909.
So the artist could survive for another 44 years after the painting and for you to have no copyright issues.
1908+44=1952
Current year less 70 year copyright.
2022-70=1952
Its possible the artist was still alive, yet not probable.
Bee
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... and probably good luck keeping it there!
Here is a good reason why it will stay in place, and did so for multiple circuits of my super poor track.
For all height measurements, the reference surface are the ties.
On the left, observe Lion's buffer beam. The centerline height of the chain fixing is slightly less than 15.5 mm, but I will use that number.
On the right, the top of the peg on Rocket's tender is 16mm, with the bottom of the peg slightly more than 14.5mm.
So the chain centerline (15.5mm) to the top of the peg (16mm) is 0.5mm!
The locomotives, when coupled, are 10mm apart.
From trigonometry, we know the angle is found from the arctangent(rise/run) = arctan(0.5/10) = 2.86° UP
So when Rocket pulls Lion, the hook is urged downwards onto the peg by the vertical component of the angle force.
If the hook should happen to be all the way down onto the peg, the hook will be urged upwards by that same vertical component force, but resisted by the friction of the hook on the post.
If friction is ignored, then the hook should ride about 0.5 mm from the top of the post.
Bee
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With all the difficulties I had getting a link to function properly, it is a surprise to me that anyone could find it.
So once more,with feeling this time 😉
Video of
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Hello 96RAF
I defer to more knowledgeable and experienced modelers.
I have struck through my text, so that folks can still see it, but can be warned of an issue.
Bee
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Hello Lucas
I, too, am an overseas (non-UK) Hornby customer. I place my order on the Hornby website and they ship it to me.
If you have your heart set on a particular model, and do not want to miss out, simply order it direct from Hornby. One word of caution: it is fairly pricey, as you pay list + shipping - VAT.
Bee
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I've seen it before, but never attempted it. Gets great reviews. Plenty of youTube videos showing it off.
Fast Track templates hold everything in place while you solder. The track is essentially soldered to pcb blanks, shaped to resemble ties. So a plastic board with a copper face. The rail is soldered to the copper. Care must be taken to remove electrical continuity or a dead short will be created.
The reason I looked into custom track should be obvious. The LMR didn't run what we would call standard track. I'm still trying to determine how to get appropriately scaled fishbelly rail!
Bee
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Hi David
The damage is presumed to occur to the decoder chip.If you are running DCC ready locomotives, without a decoder chip, there is no issue. DCC ready jumpers merely shunt power from the track to the motor. It is electrically identical to an analog locomotive.The DCC decoder is in-between the motor and tracks. The decoder analyzes the digital signals and presents the appropriate power to the motor. The DCC signal is high frequency.The Gaugemaster Cleaner is also high frequency. The decoder chip, and its tri-state inputs, will see that Gaugemaster Cleaner output.If you have decoders installed, do not use the Gaugemaster Cleaner. If no decoders, you are perfectly safe.Bee
Edit: I will defer to wiser heads and those obviously far more experienced than I. I leave my apparent error as a record, struck through, to indicate an issue
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Here, I will show the method I used to double head Rocket and Lion.
The peg on Rocket's Tender (R3956) is shown, as well as the hook on Lion's front buffer.
Bring the locomotives close together, such that the chain and hook can reach Rocket's peg.
Engage the hook with a pointed instrument. I used a fine Torx screwdriver, but a bamboo skewer or toothpick would also function well. Place the tip of the tool on the peg.
Elevate the tool, drop the hook onto the peg. Gently lift the tool away.
Viola!
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Hello Nishil
Welcome aboard!
Your model was reviewed by Key Model World. Hornby Avanti West Coast OO gauge Pride Pendolino
The pantograph, per the article, is mechanically (manually) posed. It does not appear to be motorized.
Bee
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I needed a reason to Double Head. It would not do to double head for three carriages. In doing so, it hurt to mix the rolling stock. The Royal Mail carriage would never have been associated with freight and the intermixing of class was prototypically wrong. Yet the under carriage on all is the same for Hornby rolling stock which consistent with the LMR.
I have intentions to expand the fleet and have several sets on order.
Rainhill Trials, The Wagons , are the first class. These are pre-LMR, just as the dynamometer pictured in my avatar. Hornby has these wagons as R60164, but misidentifies them as coal wagons. [Thanks Ellecoloco, the link appears to work!]
The LMR actually had intermodal coal wagons, for which we have detailed mechanical drawings. There is also engraving evidence of chaldrons for coal. The wagons Hornby have produced are neither. Now you know better!
First Class & Royal Mail would not have mixed with 2nd &3rd, no matter what the museums run and freight was an entity onto itself.
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I've successfully double headed Lion (R30232) and Rocket (R3956).
On Lion's front buffer beam is a decorative chain, with hook. It turns out that the hook is perfectly sized for Rocket's finescale coupling peg on its tender.
Rocket runs slightly faster than Lion, so the small chain is always in tension.
Here, with a rake of 15 pieces of rolling stock!
lickable link. None of them work. I'm using Chrome as well as Android Browser. Spaces, copying addresses from the browser, none of that works. Perhaps the forum simply needs a hyperlink format button, like the bold & italics buttonsedit 2:
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Magnet not required but would improve reliability. Lion R30232 pictured with old First Class Coach.
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I've just thought of a way to adapt the new Rocket and Lion to the old rolling stock.
Similar to my Accurascale solution, put a loop of fine steel wire on the locomotive and a magnet on the tension lock of the R651 carriages.
The magnet will hold both pieces of steel!
Bee
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Your question was to specifically adapt the older carriages, R621, to the modern Hornby Rocket.
As the early days of the LMR were filled with carriage experiments, I too see no issues with adapting the older carriages (R651) to the modern locomotives. They can easily and ready be explained thusly. Yet I see it the other way around. Remove those gigantic, horrid tension lock couplings and replace them with a peg, suitable for the fine scale couplings.
Lion was a feight locomotive. Lion only pulled passenger consists in the 1930s. The 1930s photographs do not represent actual LMR historical facts. Hornby Lion R30232 comes with representative 1930s carriages and can be extended with R40371. R40371 includes first class carriage Huskinson and two third class carriages. All use pegs.
1) Third Class coaches were actually 2nd in the initial days of the LMR. As the passengers complained of burnt clothing, the carriages were swiftly enclosed. The Ackermann prints show this.
2) Third class only came very late in LMR history, the LMR resisting the call from government. Further, these 2nd & 3rd coaches all had seating. Hornby have duplicated the third class carriages produced in the 1930s, not to the existing plans by Stephenson. The 1930s coaches were strictly an impression not a reproduction of 1830s carriages.
3) Contrary to what R3956 shows, Third class coaches would never have run with a Royal Mail carriage. Third and Second class were on local consists, stopping as required to pick up and drop off passengers. First Class and Royal Mail consists stopped only at Parkside for watering.
4) Freight consists were required to yield to any and all passenger traffic. They could not leave the stations ahead of a passenger consist, and were required to get into sidings to permit them to pass.
5) In the early days, freight consists had a speed restriction of 8 mph. Passenger consists moved at an astonishing, for the time, 16 mph!! These speeds were measured by arrival times, with fines applied to engineers who violated them.
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Hi 81F 👋
I've the modern Rocket (R3809 R3810 R3956) and Lion (R30232) in my fleet.
The coupling arrangement is an upright post upon which you place a rigid "finescale coupling", as Hornby call it. Its a bit of plastic with a hole on either end, to fit over those corresponding pegs. I have no trouble with getting them coupled, but some reviewers have reported difficulty. Others have replaced the plastic chain with an actual chain.
I've successfully adapted the Accurascale magnetic chain couplings to the pegs by simply placing a loop of fine steel wire over the peg, the steel bent to a slight curve. The Accurascale magnet holds quite readily to this. I've pulled 9 Chaldrons without coupling failure. 9 is about as many as Lion can pull, some wheel slip was noticed. Rocket could not pull 9 at all.
If you desire a tension lock, then you must revert to an older Rocket (R346 R796). I have this in my fleet as well.
The Lion model that Rapido have on offer will (theoretically) be available to purchase by March. I do have one on order, and will put it head to head with the Hornby version. One of the two will named "Tiger" LMR58, the lesser known Lion twin.
The Rapido specification includes a NEM pocket.
Bee
Edit to add: Hornby numbers given as reference, I do not have all three modern Rocket sets! Rocket is the same in each, only the consist changes.
R3809 is a throwback: first class coaches Times, Experience and Despatch. Red Box.
R3810 offers first class coaches Globe, Renown, Wellington. Yellow Box.
R3956 offers First Class Coach Treasurer, a Third open blue carriage and the Royal Mail Carriage.
The Liverpool and Manchester Railway ran Royal Mail consists strictly as express. The seating in the real Royal Mail carriages was better than first class, two abreast seating instead of three.
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Will there be disruptions in China?
Simply put, absolutely yes. Any dates provided now are merely a wild guess. There is no way to determine a realistic date because the entire supply chain in China will be in turmoil. Consulting tarot cards might be more accurate. Spinning a wheel at a carnival may prove more meaningful.
Pandemics and epidemics change societies. We are on the cusp of change as it affects us. Hornby, as old time whalers would say, are on a Nantucket Sleigh Ride. Hornby have harpoon'd the whale (surrendered manufacturing to China) and will now go where the whale drags them. Apologies to the whales, that was a cruel industry.
Take any dates given as wishful thinking until the health situation in China settles down
Bee
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Permit me to test the theory Brew Man.
Lion, with a rake of Chaldrons
R30232, LMR57
Bee
edit to add: yes, that worked!
Mod Edit: Link made clickable
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@BulliedBoy Thank you, that is a most gracious offer, but it would only solve my tiny individual situation. What of the other Enthusiasts?
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My locomotive is running perfectly now. There is no urgent need. The parts I seek are just to sit on my shelf, to provide a security blanket if components were to wear or be damaged. Can motor brushes are a consumable item and will wear out. A can motor is a prudent purchase.
When I decided to obtain these spares, I naturally consulted the forums, and Lendon's has a wonderful reputation. All my conversations with Rob, at Lendon's, have been polite and well meaning. I hold ZERO rancor towards Lendons and/or Rob. The lack of spares for ROW for Hornby kit is not his fault. The dearth of spares for the UK is not his fault.
Cause and Effect. My experience at Lendon's was an effect. Yes, I am stymied, frustrated by the situation. But the root cause of the issue is not at Lendon's. Rob is perfectly permitted to sell spares to whomever he wants, should he have them. The cause of this is a Hornby policy.
I understand the converse of the situation. Hornby must not have millions in capital tied up in spare parts sitting in a stockroom, just waiting for my ridiculously small purchase of spares to tide them over. That is bad business practice. So there must be some balance. I'm not Hornby, nor in a decision making role. Charge us for spares and charge us properly. I am more than happy to pay a premium price for a premium service. Vespa mentioned Rolls Royce parts. RR parts are extraordinarily expensive yet they sell to RR enthusiasts. Hornby, pay attention!
Spare parts are a tremendous boon to the bottom line, if managed properly. Spare parts can be a drain on profits if managed poorly. A component that will wear out (can motors) should be stocked. A decorative component for a 1970s production locomotive may not sell as well.
I do hope that Hornby will resolve this over time. Please!?!?
Bee
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To the moderators: I do hope this post fits within the confines of the Hornby Forum. PART 1 is my Lendon's Adventure. PART 2 is a request for help.
PART 1: The Adventure
I sought to have spares for R3956 Rocket. The entire drive train. The only place that has that in stock is Lendon's of Cardiff. Not at Hornby! Not at Peter's Spares. Rob, at Lendon's, advertises that he now will not sell internationally. I tried, but he said NO! So I set up a Freight Forwarder mailbox. Paid for the spares using PayPal. Informed Rob of the address. He canceled the order, because he states he must ship to the address on the Paypal payment. Paypal will NOT let me set an international address. So no spare parts for me, unless I fly to the UK. That seems wildly cost ineffective.
What this means is that Hornby permits Lendon's to buy up all the spare parts. To be the spare parts go to facility, essentially subcontracting the problem. That's fine, except now Lendon's will only sell to UK customers and therefore cuts out ROW. This policy stinks for me. Hornby cannot let what little spares there are be fenced away from customers.
PART 2: The request
Rob could use a little support from the folks he may know just a little better than me. In the interchange of emails, Rob told me the issue. I think it would be a violation of trust to say what it was, but the man could use a friendly email right about now. [Mods: you have access to my email. I would share the information with a trusted individual such as yourselves. Please contact me privately.]
If you've ever dealt with Lendon's and you liked how it went, please reach out to Rob to express your support. He could use it right about now.
Bee
£1870 for OO Gauge Train set
in General Discussion
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For those marveling at the asking price on eBay, take a look at this Lionel Three Rail O Scale Amtrak Acela set.
To make it a complete train, Lionel has the manufacturers LIST price set at ~$3500 or about £2900, not including shipping.
Jump to 5:25 to hear Eric describe the price. Not an eBay ask, it is Lionel's factory price.
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I'm not going to fire up my laptop, set a bookmark to the video, copy the bookmark and paste it here. If you cannot make the link work by highlight and right click, then search Eric's Trains on youTube. He released this review in mid December.
Every time I hear complaints of how expensive some Hornby models are, I think of the Lionel models I've seen. I smile to myself and think of the prices Lionel clearly get. Vision line Lionel Locomotives are $1600 (£1325) and up. So 4× the price of Hornby Dublo or Steam Generator. Hornby locomotives are an absolute bargain, even with ROW shipping!!
Bee