Yelrow Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 AH, well, there you have it, to my mind your controller, is too small. Wont have enough grunt for 3 rail. Fine for 00. Have a look on ebay for a Hamment and Morgan Clipper or Duette. Otherwise, once you have track all joined and connected, you will be very disappointed with loco performance. It might run slowly, but more than likely immediately overload your bachmann. These old locos need plenty of power, to move away. You will not regret buying a clipper or duette. Built like tanks, they will run any 3 rail loco, and also have uncontrolled supply for points, etc . Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yelrow Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Threelink, hi, yup, mine is all boxed, when not running. Have 3 boxed sets. Bought a Magnetiser, to revive old magnets. They run as well as modern ones, but sound is so nostalgic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamjar1707822929 Posted August 18, 2022 Author Share Posted August 18, 2022 AH, well, there you have it, to my mind your controller, is too small. Wont have enough grunt for 3 rail. Fine for 00. Have a look on ebay for a Hamment and Morgan Clipper or Duette. Otherwise, once you have track all joined and connected, you will be very disappointed with loco performance. It might run slowly, but more than likely immediately overload your bachmann. These old locos need plenty of power, to move away. You will not regret buying a clipper or duette. Built like tanks, they will run any 3 rail loco, and also have uncontrolled supply for points, etc . Just saying.Thanks again. Will do as suggested re controller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VESPA Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 ATF (automatic transmission fluid) is supposedly conductive and in theory will also protect old steel rails against further corrosion, but in my mind oil is oil and by nature a lubricant hence you can get wheel slip.I am assuming you mean in general about steel rails. Dublo 3 rail were brass rails on a steel base. Personally I wouldn't put any oil on any tracks, especially ATF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VESPA Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 Ellocoloco, hi, each to their own. On their day, and bearing in mind they were aimed at childs market, they made a lot of kids, very content. To my mind there is nothing better to listen to , when they pound round tin track. As to modern models being better, Ridiculously expensive, fragile, cheap motors, and lack of spares. I have no problem, sourcing very cheap Hornby Dublo spares. .I agree with you Yelrow. Back in the 60's Dublo was far better made and realistic compared to the Triang offering but I will say Triang had some great toy innovations for children with Triang railways. There was a lot of daft play wagons that would attract youngsters such as searchlight cars, Girraffe cars etc. All modelled on fantasy but with play value. Triang was a great toy maker delving into allsorts of things with great toy play with value for money. Their trains were good but HD had more model appeal. Today's offerings are not comparable as they are scale models with a ridiculous price. I am at present detailing some Railroad LNER teaks to make them look better. That plastc look will be less and more like the £70+ versions. I have 5 to start with and have my eye on at least 2 more at a tenner each. $ arrived today and look as if they have never been run. Total cost £24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yelrow Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 I have the Giraffe, car, Helicopter wagon, exploding wagon, and missile wagon, purely collective, and boxed. My brother, who is in a wheelchair, has a vast Triang collection, in his loft. He has so far refused any access. Cannot get excited over any of todays offerings, the TTS P2, being the last loco i bought, solely for its pulling power, as pulls a fearful lot of coaches . Out of interest, i also have 0 gauge clockwork, in 2 display cabinets. Hate to think what will happen to it all, in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony57 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 HiIn regards to steel track I used Wahl Hair clipper oil on light to medium rusty steel track, I rub the most rust off with a track rubber than apply the oil with a cotton bud and leave for a couple of days, the track is given a light rub and it looks like new. The oil seems to soak into the steel rail and dries with no residue.In regards to Triang wagons I have open wagons that have drop opening doors and drop sides, hopper wagons with bottom opening doors, box vans with both hinged and sliding doors also side tipping log wagons in my collection, some say they a toy like, I think they are more realistic parked in a siding being loaded or unloaded than todays offerings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamjar1707822929 Posted August 21, 2022 Author Share Posted August 21, 2022 AH, well, there you have it, to my mind your controller, is too small. Wont have enough grunt for 3 rail. Fine for 00. Have a look on ebay for a Hamment and Morgan Clipper or Duette. Otherwise, once you have track all joined and connected, you will be very disappointed with loco performance. It might run slowly, but more than likely immediately overload your bachmann. These old locos need plenty of power, to move away. You will not regret buying a clipper or duette. Built like tanks, they will run any 3 rail loco, and also have uncontrolled supply for points, etc . Just saying.Thanks again. Will do as suggested re controller.Hi again Yelrow Track all cleaned and running now, though runs well in reverse but forward motion very sluggish. Any ideas ?Also seen a couple of Duettes on ebay. Bidding on one but not only one interested. Other one is to buy, but 3 of the terminal screws are missing. Do you know if there are alternatives or are these specialist/specific? Jamjar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamjar1707822929 Posted August 21, 2022 Author Share Posted August 21, 2022 AH, well, there you have it, to my mind your controller, is too small. Wont have enough grunt for 3 rail. Fine for 00. Have a look on ebay for a Hamment and Morgan Clipper or Duette. Otherwise, once you have track all joined and connected, you will be very disappointed with loco performance. It might run slowly, but more than likely immediately overload your bachmann. These old locos need plenty of power, to move away. You will not regret buying a clipper or duette. Built like tanks, they will run any 3 rail loco, and also have uncontrolled supply for points, etc . Just saying.Thanks again. Will do as suggested re controller.Hi again YelrowTrack all cleaned and running now, though runs well in reverse but forward motion very sluggish. Any ideas ?Also seen a couple of Duettes on ebay. Bidding on one but not only one interested. Other one is to buy, but 3 of the terminal screws are missing. Do you know if there are alternatives or are these specialist/specific?JamjarPSDo you use track screws and if so what size/head type are they ? Got some short brass flatheads but found a couple were just touching live rail and shorting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yelrow Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Jamjar, hi, yes, i use dome headed brass screws. Duette terminal screws are specific, but i have missing ones. Use choc block, double connecter( plastic blocks with screws in. Screw on side to thread on Terminal screw, and screw wire in other. Works well. So you could buy that one and use my system. As for running, simply down to underpowered controller., i think. These locos go backwards easier than forwards. Takes more grunt to move forward. Can tell you how to service loco, if it persists with decent controller. Clippers are just as good, but only control one loco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamjar1707822929 Posted August 21, 2022 Author Share Posted August 21, 2022 Jamjar, hi, yes, i use dome headed brass screws. Duette terminal screws are specific, but i have missing ones. Use choc block, double connecter( plastic blocks with screws in. Screw on side to thread on Terminal screw, and screw wire in other. Works well. So you could buy that one and use my system. As for running, simply down to underpowered controller., i think. These locos go backwards easier than forwards. Takes more grunt to move forward. Can tell you how to service loco, if it persists with decent controller. Clippers are just as good, but only control one loco.Sorry to go on!What size are the dome headed brass screws ^ where do you get yours from ?Can't quite visualise the "choc block" system- have you got a photo ?Noted re clipper - seen some but most say "untested". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brew Man Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 I use similar to these. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/154678519043?hash=item24038ee503:g:JQcAAOSwzhRZkthN&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoOIxXho7a540nAshyHXtUWWvsIV7lcqqd2uRg2O6QhX2NZ%2Fa%2FVkY%2BeCQolg7UXgMMuHlVwlESiLjZocgZgZRHAe15D5zzUiMxiSAQS24Wevkbk1FW8FTxtvyWZXdwT6Sk7vuLqek8v3ziIrJv8aePxgUTP5lZkBhFwnn%2BHE6jCf6%2BNpRN6TChyhfn7MCrCbbDhbNQxrJWOeULTs9MdY43MI%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR57tp4LYYAThey come in various lengths. I find the 6mm fine but you will need them to be a bit longer if you have track underlay fitted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamjar1707822929 Posted August 21, 2022 Author Share Posted August 21, 2022 I use similar to these. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/154678519043?hash=item24038ee503:g:JQcAAOSwzhRZkthN&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoOIxXho7a540nAshyHXtUWWvsIV7lcqqd2uRg2O6QhX2NZ%2Fa%2FVkY%2BeCQolg7UXgMMuHlVwlESiLjZocgZgZRHAe15D5zzUiMxiSAQS24Wevkbk1FW8FTxtvyWZXdwT6Sk7vuLqek8v3ziIrJv8aePxgUTP5lZkBhFwnn%2BHE6jCf6%2BNpRN6TChyhfn7MCrCbbDhbNQxrJWOeULTs9MdY43MI%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR57tp4LYYAThey come in various lengths. I find the 6mm fine but you will need them to be a bit longer if you have track underlay fitted.Thanks- ordered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 ...Use choc block, double connecter( plastic blocks with screws in. Screw one side to thread on Terminal screw, and screw wire in other. Works well....Can't quite visualise the "choc block" system- have you got a photo ? I think what John is saying is - find a bit of choc block that is large enough bore to fit over the controller studs that are missing their nuts. Tighten the screw in the choc block to secure it to the stud then put your feeder wire from the track into the other end of the choc block and secure with the other screw. Good lateral thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brew Man Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 My layout is full of choc blocks, they are heaven-sent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yelrow Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Rob, that is exactly what john is saying. Work a treat. Small brass screws from any hardware shop,,about three quarter inch long take a rail with you for diameter. DONT buy an untested clipper. Will take a look mand come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yelrow Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Buy it now , fully tested, 35.00 looks good to me. (duette). I would only buy a tested one, looks genuine. I paid 25.00 for mine, some 10 years ago, so price is fair. I live in France, so can only suggest. Custom charges stop me buying from ebay now, It would be worth having it tested, before you try it. Any electrician, will do it for a tiny fee. mine charges about 5.00. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir john Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 As interesting as this subject is if would be more so if people didn't use the blue button to reply I've lost count of how many times the posts have been repeated I'm 80 soon if I can understand how to reply think anyone can John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yelrow Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Sir John, as a 79 year old i agree, but tis down to Hornby. All the while that blue button is there, newer members will use it. Us older members from previous hornby forums, never had that luxury, so never got to use it, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamjar1707822929 Posted August 21, 2022 Author Share Posted August 21, 2022 Lots of good advice here - thanks everyone! Got a good idea what I'm looking for now.Jamjar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir john Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 YelrowQuite agree but it has been mentioned many times before but tends to get ignoredRegards John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvinalaff Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 A 4ba wing nut fits the H&M terminals perfectly..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yelrow Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Rvinalaff, hi, thanks for that. On the lookout now. Good thread this. Getting some interesting postings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potterton Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 Replacement nuts can be found on ebay. Search forReplacement knurled nuts for H&M Duette controller (4 pack)They are sold by Hobbytrax and cost 3.99 per pack, (free p+p).(Sorry, I don't know how to include a link) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yelrow Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 Potterton, hi, many thanks. john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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