new lad on block Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Hi All, Hornby has produced a new tooled Terrier Locomotive. Here is a list of old models produced from 1998 to 2018,All but one of the terriers were produced as solo items.That was R2891 which was in a Train Pack.It was produced as a Limited Edition of 1000 for Bluebell Railway.It contained Stepney & 1 Blue Maunsell coach. None appeared in Train Sets.List as per Ramsey Guide. Photo 1 as guide, Locos looking from Left to Right, Top Shelf Down.Top Shelf. R2799, 40 Brighton, R2483 41 Piccadilly, R2605 44 Fulham, R2177 54 Waddon, R2605 83 Earlswood.2nd Shelf. R3247 650 Whitechapel, R3046 735 R2679 Portishead, R3467 752 R2216 3 Bodiam3rd Shelf. R3248 Sutton, R2063 W2 Freshwater, R2100 W11, R2100b W12, R3022 2662.4th. Shelf.R2443 12 Ventor, R2407 13 Carisbrooke,R2406 32635, R2627 Brb 32640,R3116 32675th. Shelf. R2891 55 Stepney, R2165b 32636, R2165c Brc 32640 Missing Made? R2741 32670,R2165a 32670.Bottom Shelf. R2550 32678, R3528 4, R9069 55 Stepney, R9750 Ltd. Ed. 55 Stepney.Only photos or sight of R2165c are in Hornby catalogue 2001. /media/tinymce_upload/a1d3127c01dc998ee1633bbe85f08dc6.JPGPhoto 2. R2891, Ltd. Ed. Blue bell Railway Aniversary Pack./media/tinymce_upload/ec3b01df4af62fef9559187c9f3ce2c3.JPGUpto now not purchased any of the new Tooled Terriers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulver Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 An impressive collection, NewLad, thanks for sharing it with usRod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulleidboy Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Impressive collection. I have one of the new Terriers, but it remains in its box for the time being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Wow what a collection. The new one is a beautiful little loco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new lad on block Posted August 8, 2019 Author Share Posted August 8, 2019 Photos to show more in depth look at the Old Terriers.Two body moldings used, 7 different base plates used.Photo 1, The first and last modes, twenty years apart. On the left R2063 from 1998.That particular one in my collection, is from the Archive models Hornby sold via auction.One on Right R3528 from 2018.Note different heights of coal bunkers./media/tinymce_upload/922977956c1b6fe95959bf3bb695c9b4.JPGPhoto 2 Models with small bunker.Top Shelf shows one with large bunker, for comparison/media/tinymce_upload/ec899d244e645db6ca0027dca3262aac.JPGPhoto 3 large bunker./media/tinymce_upload/c6627e871a0f1bac227a40fa70984326.JPGPhoto 4, Shows the different chassis base plates used, a total of 7./media/tinymce_upload/b0ac0695b51a601e92d6bea93147fade.JPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Be aware that there will be a special decoder for the new Terrier i.e. R7150W, which is pre-tuned to suit the Terrier motor characteristics. R7150 is the 6-pin equivalent of the Hornby R8249 8-pin basic decoder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 It may be worth pointing out that the "large bunker" is just the small bunker with an extension part glued in place on top.Hornby Terrier.../media/tinymce_upload/88f54ec5e4eb2cbe61bd639f1b9898db.jpg(Above) Dapol Terrier with bunker extension... ((Below) Dapol Terrier before the bunker extension was fitted.. /media/tinymce_upload/041cff6b697f2816e2e173dbbac22c7f.jpgThis bunker extension was also supplied in the detail pack supplied with the Terrier models. /media/tinymce_upload/bc5c3942ee13228dc1dc5a56bae5c6c4.jpgThis included:- A spacer ring to lengthen the smokebox from A1 to A1X length. Two pipes that run on both sides, from the front of the side tanks to the smokebox on condensing A1 class locos. A replacement plain dome. A set of safety valves on a pedestal. These two parts could be used to portray one of the Terriers that were fitted with replacement boilers by the other railways that purchased Terrier locos from the LB&SCR...the SE&CR, and the L&SWR amongst other, smaller railways.. The bunker extension, complete with moulded coal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 More on this page. Scroll down to find the Terrier posts, the second one has more details!http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/76497-sarahs-projects/page/3/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 The 'extended' bunker as fitted to the Isle of Wight locomotives was something different to the coal rails fitted as extras to the Dapol model. The tool box over the rear buffer beam and original bunker was removed at Ryde and new bunker was fitted, with side and rear sheets which went all the way to the back of the buffer beam. 40, 69, 75 & 84 were sold to the Isle of Wight Central Railway around the turn of the Century. The IWCR removed the tool boxes and lengthened the bunker. They became IWCR 11, 10, 9 and 12 respectively. 11 & 12 were fitted with A1X boilers in 1918 and 1916 respectively. In 1923 they were numbered W9 to W12 by the Southern Railway. W10 was named 'Cowes', W11 was named 'Newport' and W12 was named 'Ventnor' by the SR but W9 was scrapped in 1927 without a name. W10 and W12 were withdrawn in 1936. Also at the turn of the Century all the survivors on the mainland were transferred to the duplicate list and received addition of 600 to their numbers. The Freshwater Yarmouth and Newport Railway obtained 646 (via the LSWR) which they numbered 2 in their fleet. This was later numbered W8 by the Southern Railway. Three more were transferred by the Southern between 1927 and 1930. 677 became W3 later W13 'Carisbrooke', 678 became W4, later W14 'Bembridge' and 650 became W9 'Fishbourne'. W9 returned to the mainland in 1936 and was renumberd 515S in departmental stock, but the others did. All the survivors returned to the mainland and given what would have been their 326xx numbers in early BR days. 32662 was given an extended bunker (ex W13) on the mainland by BR in 1961. The new Hornby model is the first RTR to have this difference incorporated into the tooling, if you wanted the 'IOW look' on the Dapol / earlier Hornby model you had to perform surgery, although a cast resin replacement bunker was available from Golden Arrow Models to make this easier. As preserved 662 has the long bunker, as do W11, 32678, 10 'Sutton' (ex W9), and W8. below - W11 as running on Isle of Wight Steam railway (from IWSR website) /media/tinymce_upload/9968262889c699e148004d64b32cdfe8.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new lad on block Posted August 10, 2019 Author Share Posted August 10, 2019 Hi, LC&DR, Thankyou for the extra information on the Terrier. It made interesting reading.Photo to show Large bunker as fitted to Ltd. Ed. Dapol, GWR Portishead.Also photo to show Dapol and Hornby bunkers side by side. They look exactly the same, and can be seen as glued on extras./media/tinymce_upload/0dff2d7f638083c59f172eb6aca789aa.JPG/media/tinymce_upload/e257998e7bea5ef588ba7ba033850cce.JPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 In both cases the Dapol locomotives retain the tool box above the rear buffer beam, as do all the old Dapoil / earlier Hornby models. Hornby have corrected this with their new tooling - /media/tinymce_upload/bff83ab4ae5238dd570b51dcca30a317.jpghttps://www.hornby.com/uk-en/sr-terrier-0-6-0t-w10-cowes-era-3.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new lad on block Posted August 10, 2019 Author Share Posted August 10, 2019 Hi, I must admit it looks well with the improvements.I will put it on the Christmas list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Hi LC&DR... Nice potted history, just a couple of missed points.... After the LB&SCR added 600 to the numbers, after the grouping in 1923, the new SR added a "B" prefix to all the "Brighton" locos. (SE&CR locos had "A" for Ashford, L&SWR locos had "E" for Eastleigh...) Then later, the ex LB&SCR locos had 2000 added to their numbers. The letter prefixes were then done away with as they were redundant. There also seems to be something missing , just before the bit about the survivors being transferred back to the mainland? One of the Kent & East Sussex locos, BR 32670, had an extended bunker made and fitted on the K&ESR. This was unique, and remained on the loco through the BR period until preserved I believe. This makes the Hornby models of this loco wrong, as the models have the standard bunkers....It also had an A1X boiler, supplied by the SR, fitted, but retained the splasher mounted sandboxes. I was going to have a go at making this bunker for my 32670, but didn't get around to it... /media/tinymce_upload/f415d107a5bfde641969cb9d107a99b7.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglia998 Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 New lad on blockYou must be justly proud of your collection of Terriers - I have never seen anything like it before.If I may be so bold, one small correction to the text is needed.83 Earlswood is R.2190 (2001) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new lad on block Posted August 10, 2019 Author Share Posted August 10, 2019 Hi Anglia998, Ops 😳 typed R2605 twice. R2605 is in fact 44 Fulham. 83 Earlswood, you are right,should be R2190.Thankyou for pointing it out. 😆 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 Hi Sarah,The history of the Terrier fleet is extremely complicated. The LB&SCR sold many to light railways and contractors during the final years of the 19th Century and early years of the 20th. Some went to the War Department. There cannot be any other class that found work with the three main constituents of the Southern Railway either. All in all a remarkable class. I was well aware of the renumbering adopted by the Southern, choosing not to make the previous post too top heavy on number theory and practice. There were other numbering anomalies 35 became 635 in 1908, then 377S in 1946, then DS377 and finally 32635 40 became IWCR 11 in 1902, then W11 after 1923 then 2640 in 1947, and finally 32640 46 became 646 in 1902, then LSWR 734 in 1903, then FYNR No2 in 1914 later W2 in 1932, later W8, then 32646 in 1949 50 became 650 in 1901, then IWCR 9 then W9 in 1923, then 515S in 1937, DS515 after 1949, then 32650 in 1953, after preservation it became No 10 in the new K&ESR fleet. 54 became 654 in 1901, then SE&CR 751 in 1904, then 680S in 1932, DS680 after nationalisation. 59 became 659 in 1901, then DS681 in 1953, later 32659 68 became 668 in 1901 then LSWR No 735 in 1903, it became E735 69 became IWCR 10 in 1900, later W10 after 1923. 70 became K&ESR 3 in 1901 later 32670 in 1949 71 became K&ESR 5 in 1905 72 was sold to the Newhaven Harbour Company in 1898 but purchased back by the SR in 1927 and re-numbered B636, later 2636 and finally 32636 75 was sold to IWCR in 1899 as no. 9, later W9 77 became 677 in 1907 then B677, transferred to IOW 1927 as W3, later W13, then 32677 in 1949 78 became 678 in 1907, then B678, transferred to IOW in 1927 as W4, later W14, then 2678 in 1937 and 32678 after nationalisation 82 became 682 in 1911, then 380S , restored to LBSCR 82 in 1947 and preserved. 84 sold to IWCR as No12 1903, became W12 after grouping. 36, 39, 649, 652, 657 were sold to contractor Pauling & Co in 1902 becoming 88, 87, 79, 90, 64 respectively 637, 638 679, 681 and 683 were sold to the Admiralty in 1918, 638 & 681 & 683 later purchased by Shropshire & Montgomeryshire Railway in 1921 to become their Nos 7, 8 & 9.No 9 sold back to SR in 1939 for spares. B643 sold to Weston Cleveland & Portishead Railway as No 2 in 1925, 2653 also sold to WC&PR as No 4 in 1937. Absorbed by Great Western Railway in 1940 as Nos 5 & 6. 667 was sold to Grassmoor Colliery via Mylon & Smith 1920 673 & 674 sold to Edge Hill light Railway 1919 / 1920 becoming No 1 & No 2 Some locomotives in LB&SCR days were simply named "Loco Department" these were 637, 638, 642, and 682, the DS numbered locos also received Loco Department names, usually with the name of the depot (Battersea or Brighton) inscribed on the side tanks, and in later days full LB&SCR Stroudley livery as well;. See I said it was complicated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 Yes, complicated, but interesting. It is interesting that, 72 Fenchurch excepted, it seems that BR knew what the original numbers were, even after changing hands a couple of times before nationalisation. Any idea why 72 Fenchurch became, in effect, no. 36...as in B636? I suppose that there was another 672 in the fleet by then? Fenchurch in an early version of Brighton Loco. dept. Livery (2012). This loco has been restored to a later A1 format... As Fenchurch was working at Newhaven Harbour, it is highly unlikely that this loco carried this livery and the number 672 I would believe.../media/tinymce_upload/a51271198c9b8e1c1427cad7003a346a.jpg One of the Brighton Works locos, as portrayed by Hornby.../media/tinymce_upload/582215f59b0f14e6ae94cca944e0d096.jpg/media/tinymce_upload/6d949cb343e21117e6756f1ce5fa294d.jpg/media/tinymce_upload/4ca2fe17e8b48975ae20f904e715a5a2.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 A good question! SR number 672 was allocated both to to a LSWR class M7 and to LC&DR class R but as this would have been E672 and A672 respectively and not B672 it shouldn't make any difference and 'Fenchurch' should have been numbered B672. It seems that forgetting the origins of the Newhaven Harbour locomotive the numbering clerk at the SR central registry picked the first blank number and used that instead. B635 was still in traffic but 36 "Bramley" had been withdrawn and was sold to Pauling & Co in 1902 but was later scrapped by Cohens in 1909. 37 "Southdown" on the other hand was transferred to "Locomotive Department" about 1912 and later sold to the Admiralty in 1918. See earlier post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglia998 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 The current issue of "Steam Railway" comes with a guide to Britain's Preserved Locomotives.Of the terriers that have been preserved, their previous numbers are given.Sutton London Borough Council are the owners of No.50, which has no less than seven other numbers, including 32650. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 This is the loco that was named "Sutton", but wasn't the original LB&SCR Sutton. No. 50 was Whitechapel... The original Sutton was no. 61... http://haylingbillyheritage.org/engines/stroudley-terrier/brief-histories-of-the-surviving-stroudley-a1a1x-locomotives-by-ian-edwards/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LB%26SCR_A1_class_locomotives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Having now read Chris' TIPS for using the Forum, I can now add clickable links that do not start with WWW! https://www.hornby.com/uk-en/forum/tips-on-using-the-forum/ http://haylingbillyheritage.org/engines/stroudley-terrier/brief-histories-of-the-surviving-stroudley-a1a1x-locomotives-by-ian-edwards/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LB%26SCR_A1_class_locomotives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglia998 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Thank you, SarahI have followed up on your link. The loco. design makes for a very attractive model - more so than the Jinty.and, yes, I am an LMS man, born and bred. Dad was employed on the raiways for 47 years and retired at 60. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 "Jinty" and Terrier.../media/tinymce_upload/a06c29d2d6a01b6b3dcd26e817dc639f.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWR-Gordon-4 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Fantastic list, new lad on block and thank you for adding the two Hornby Stepney models, from the Thomas & Friends range (R9069 and R9750). Good collection as well. 😉 😀 GNR-Gordon-4 (HF) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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