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Hello Ausrym
I do understand your dilemma. You want an item, but you are unsure if it will fit.
If it does not fit, you must acquit - Johnnie Cochran
If you want the Scottish Croft (obviously you do), then make room for it. It is fairly clear that those who correspond here do not have it¹. Consequently, you will boldly go where no correspondent has gone before.
Get it and inform us of your progress. It seems from your note, that it may be a snug fit. A little kit bashing may fix that, or perhaps a tiny bump out to the underlayment.
I do apologize for not being able to directly answer your specific question. I do not have R7295.
Bee
¹If anyone does, for heavens sake, please pipe up. This is a friendly group!
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Alberto's solution removes the stress about the layout. Instead of choosing this vs that, the choice is....Yes!
Well done Alberto
Bee
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Regards the numbering, to wit: Saloon No.2
Could it be possible that the 2 refers to Royal carriages? Not necessarily of a particular railway, but just of that rarified class of carriages. In other words, the enumeration of carriages used to convey Royal personages, independent of railway company.
I have this Morning Herald article of 25 Sept 1840.
In it, the GWR has provided a "...Royal Saloon carriage, which has recently been built by the company for the exclusive use of members of the royal family."
Is this No.1?
Bee
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Hello Fazy
Your tarpaulins are magnificent. They really portray the look.
Have you ever put the railways stencil lettering on the tarpaulins?
The Liverpool and Manchester Railway had LPMRW in giant lettering on their tarpaulins. When I get to tarpaulin covered freight, I would very much like to replicate that artwork.
Any hints or tips would be appreciated.
Bee
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Hi Simon
One thing occurred to me as I read, and re-read your recent post.
Saloon Carriage.
Saloon is the adjective, not the noun. Analogous to "brown carriage" and "long carriage", saloon is a descriptor, a characteristic of the type of carriage.
Then onwards to re-read the consist description. "The special train for the conveyance of her Majesty ..... will consist of the following carriages and trucks". Notice there is no mention of a 'saloon' carriage in that section, although it is clear that Victoria's carriage is specified later as a 'saloon' type, other carriages as 'mail' and 'first class' type.
'Carriage' is the general noun used to describe railway vehicles that carry people. The type of the carriage may or may not be specified.
When the writer refers to "Queen Adelaide's carriage" in the article, there is no descriptor, at all. It could be first, mail or saloon. It is not specified. The type is ambiguous.
Yet in the critical sentence, not only did the writer feel the need to obviate the descriptor, he obviated the noun, to wit 'carriage'. To me, it is clear that the writer refers to Adelaide's [saloon carriage]. Your mileage may vary, of course.
Bee
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The "Special Train" Series
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I am well aware that the internet has Queen Adelaide's first railway journey in 1840.
To calm those who would doubt my assertion of 1839, I present an image containing the entire front page, albeit illegible at this scale. The image also contains the banner, in which the date is crystal clear and the magnified story, which appears on that front page.
Irrefutable.
Bee
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Just search "Santa Coal" on eBay for small lots of actual coal. Lifetime supply in larger bags also available.
You will have to smash it up, ala 81F.
Bee
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Hi Simon
I have a reasonably important update for us.
I can narrow the dates of the construction of Adelaide's Saloon, modeled in R40357. I have been searching online newspapers.
The first important reference is in The Sun on 16-Oct-1839, in this article:
Note that the Queen Dowager (Adelaide) travels by train, but that she rides in a mail coach, not the saloon.
The second important reference is also in The Sun on 28-Nov-1843. Firstly, there is tremendous detail as to the consist. Secondly, pay careful attention to this sentence. "Her Majesty's Saloon carriage shall follow the Queen Dowager's, and be followed by a first class carriage..."
From the sentence construction, it is clear that the Queen Dowager's carriage saloon is being referenced, otherwise, we would have another noun after the possesive.
Date of construction is therefore between 16-Oct-1839 and 27-Nov-1843. If Adelaide had a saloon in 1839, she would not ride in a mail carriage. I can find many references between those two dates, referencing the Queen Dowager riding on the LBR on a "special train", but what that is, is never specified.
Next bit of evidence appears in The Morning Herald, remarkably also on 28 Nov 1843. The title is "Royal Carriage for the London and Birmingham Railway." It speaks to the completion of the carriage, the interior of which is 15ft × 7ft.
This must be Victoria's Saloon, as the article refers to the Queen, not the Queen Dowager. Further, it does not fit the description of Adelaide's carriage saloon.
Now here is the interesting bit. The Queen's carriage saloon is reported as completed, on the exact same day we have a report of two saloons in use for the royal train. I would suggest to you that the Queen Dowager's Saloon must therefore predate the Queen's Saloon. It cannot be that Adelaide's carriage saloon was finished after Victoria's, otherwise it could not be in consist.
Failing that, the only alternative is that they were simultaneously completed. Which, in consideration that Victoria's Carriage Saloon is a vast improvement over Adelaide's, an evolution of design without time presenting a conundrum.
Bee
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Demo of the functionality. Painted. Don't blink!
The bolt heads need to be taller, as the trick of prepainting them black, over painting in green, then wiping to reveal the black was hampered by them being very shallow
Bee
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Hi RallyMatt
While you have told us the revenue for the US and EU divisions, I think that perhaps the more important figure is for the fab.
The fabrication facility, fab for short, is the source of models for the US and EU sales divisions. That is also the fab for all the "other players". It would be natural for the US & EU divisions to purchase from the fab division, keeping each division's books somewhat separate. What do the financial reports say about the fab division.
Now if demand from the EU & US divisions goes down, then the fab will have excess capacity, which can be allocated to the other players. This has the knock on effect of reducing prices at the fab, as they are more eager to utilize the excess capacity. Additionally, projects for the other players may be finished faster.
So while the EU and US revenues may be declining, the important figure is really the fab revenue. Even if the EU & US divisions collapse, the fab can remain vital and strong.
In my view, the fab is main role, the other divisions are really just bit players.
Bee
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As of Friday, close of business, Hornby have not answered Ntp's questions, nor mine on Locomotion.
Now I am attempting to follow established procedure. I have waited more than a week, and as I asked my questions after Ntp did, he has waited the requisite time as well.
These questions / reviews should get a ticket number, just as email queries do. A simple acknowledgment, a 'pending in queue' message from Hornby with that number would go a long way towards calming aggitatition.
If my questions were about a purchase, Hornby's apparent lack of interest would likely dissuade me. This is Hornby's online presence, their virtual store front. Is nobody minding the store?
Bee
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Son of Triangman
I do not know if you get the Rapido newsletter. I've just perused their latest. What they have to say about Warley is directly applicable to you. I will clip the pertinent section, in the event you do not. Italics added:
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The announcement that the Warley Model Railway Exhibition would cease was quite a blow. We understand that in the model railway world we are quite fresh faces and that the Warley Club, through their show, has been instrumental in Rapido Trains UK building a name for itself....
Because of the show, thousands of people now know who we are.
Bee
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Great fun Alberto! Always a pleasure to see a running session on one of your layouts.
Bee
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I have just received my prints of the livestock wagon from Shapeways. This is the one most commonly used, given its appearance many times, across many aquatints, drawings, authors & etc.
A quick recap. Convert a flatbed into a Livestock Wagon. A desired feature is that the slat sides would be removable. A test of how robust the slat sides are, questioning how fragile they might be.
Results
The floor snapped right onto the chassis. It is a near perfect fit. The integral clips to hold the ends onto the chassis functioned properly.
The slat sides function as designed. There is enough clearance to readily put the stakes into the sub-floor bolsters.
The slat sides are far more robust than expected. There will be no need for metal.
The rivets came out beautifully. They will be a breeze to paint.
Self Critique
There two bosses on the underside of the floor, each with a central bore to accept the retaining cross head screws. I sized the bore to the minor diameter of the thread. This was a mistake. The Shapeways 'tan fine detail plastic' is far too brittle. The screws did not self tap, as expected, rather, I heard brittle plastic fracturing. The bore will be larger next time. If you look slightly to the right of the top screw, a bit of broken plastic can be observed.
The long slat sides are slightly warped. I did expect the parts to be flat. The warp isn't enough to deny the fit, but I can definitely feel resistance, taking up all the built in tolerance. I need to increase the fit tolerance, making it slightly more open.
Overall, I'm happy! I've learned a few things. Paint is next.
Bee
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Thank you for the report back Simon.
If you wish to further pursue your quest, I think the next step is Hooper themselves.
As I have articulated before, a firm making bespoke carriages for rich people would very likely keep good records. The moment that carriage is for royalty, the game changes. Records would be meticulous.
It is definitely worth an email
Bee
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Hi LT&SR_NSE
You wrote: "....result in the most income."
Bing! Good answer.
This is a business. A business' first priority is to break even / turn a profit. To continue in business, to preserve the revenue stream.
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Vespa,
There are specific carriages and wagons that I want too. Hornby may make them. I'm not waiting around for that. I'm making them myself. If Hornby surprises me, that's okay, Hornby will probably do a better job of it.
Several others here are making the choice to make their own, as well. Dip your toes, the water is fine
Bee
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Now arriving at station
R30161
Bee
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From the Facebook Post by the Friends of the Stockton and Darlington Railway
Bee
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I wrote to the Friends of the Stockton and Darlington Railway, sharing the link to this thread.
I have heard back from them and this is what they had to say
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The new replica Experiment is built and being painted at present. We've tried to make it look as accurate as possible but for modern use it has had to have side opening doors (concealed) and a slightly later design of wheel. (it also hides air brakes and variety of other things underneath the original never had!). Metal roof rails for guard and baggage which can be discerned in the Backhouse/Dobbin images may not make the final build sadly for practical reasons. No official photos of it yet, but one of our members spotted it during an open day at the A1 trust workshops where it is being painted after being built by North Bay Engineering in Darlington.
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You will note: The Backhouse and Dobbin images, the 1st hand spectators. The researcher has independently arrived at the same conclusion I have.
Further, this link was shared, of the current state of the build for the S&DR 200th Anniversary.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/sdr1825/permalink/2676405032497776
The researcher went on to say:
Great if Hornby could turn out an accurate Experiment and chaldrons for 2025, North Bay Engineering do have CAD drawings for the replicas and I'm sure would be happy to help if needs be.
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MODERATORS: Can you somehow get this in to Martyn and or Carl? This is an amazing offer. The CAD drawings of the replicas will make any Engineering work at Hornby lighter. The Friends of the S&DR are making a wonderful offer.
Bee
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Hornby, if they make the locomotives, will provide them to you at the price agreed upon. Unquestionably so.
Bee
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And that is a Good Thing!
Demand is strong and Hornby sells out. They make their profit, and get to stick around for another day. Hornby may take note that inexpensive models sell out, and offer similarly priced items, in similar quantities. No sense in boatloads sitting on a shelf.
And next time, do not sit around pondering a purchase.
Pounce!
Bee
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Hello Vespa,
You asked: "How can a loco be £250 on release and then end up at £110 to shift them?"
There is a difference between retail price and wholesale price. Typically keystone, or 2x markup.
So a £250 retail MSRP costs a retailer £125.
But the cost to manufacture that unit CANNOT be £125. The manufacturer must also make a profit. Perhaps 10%. Making the cost basis ~£112.50
I'd rather sell remainders at a loss, than to have dead stock sitting on my shelf.
Voila. £110
Bee
Tech Spec Errors
in Forum & Website Feedback
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Moccasin
I cannot understand why you were admonished for posting website feedback, in a section of the forum called "Forum and Website Feedback"
I can understand that Hornby does not need to be snowed under a mountain of nitpicking complaints. It is impossible to satisfy all of the public, all of the time.
Ignoring valid issues is unwise. There should be a method by which valid issues are raised and corrective action taken.
The example in the original post is certainly valid. Exactly what coupling will Locomotion No.1 have? It is the featured locomotive this year, the cover image of the catalog.
In comment section after comment section on youTube, the question comes up....What coupling?
Carl, Head of Development, said it will work with Accurascale Chaldrons. The web page specifies chains. It is an OBVIOUS CONFLICT.
Does no one want to fix this? Answer it? Update the webpage? Inform the public?
Folks are saying "chains? I'm out." Literally basing their purchase decision on the website description.
Hornby needs to make a decision and fix this. Golly, this isn't that hard.
Bee