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To help you narrow it down from the "50,000" JST types quoted in the article referenced above, I attempted to get the nomenclature off of the connector itself.
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Thank you
Bee
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Thank you LT&SR_NSE.
Olly was referring to crimping tools and pins, and I thought Atom was proceeding along those lines. Individual pins could be extracted in the way Atom described, albeit not recommended.
In fairness, I recall that the extraction tool goes in the front side, not the wire side of some connectors. Again, connector dependent and art.
Bee
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There are two period depictions of the Stockton and Darlington Railway which I would like to bring to your attention. Both predate 1835, and provide us with some guidance on consist.
Before I show them, you will undoubtedly think of the 1925 centenary photographs. Please be careful. The carriages in the photographs cannot be prototypes or actual S&DR carriages. They were created for the centenary and should be viewed as such.
"Remarks on the comparative merits of cast metal and malleable iron rail-ways : and An account of the Stockton and Darlington rail-way, and the Liverpool and Manchester rail-way,..." Longridge, Michael; 1832
Longridge, at the Bedlington Iron Works, wrote a book extolling the named railways. No wonder, as the firm produced wrought iron rails used by the S&DR and LMR. He was in a unique position to see and know.
The consist on the bottom provides us with the best period view of carriages I can find, mindful that I claim no special knowledge of the S&DR.
The locomotive appears as this one, not Locomotion No.1.
Note that Longridge does NOT claim the depiction to be a depiction of the inaugural run, rather, highlights representative of the S&DR. This will become important later. [Edit: continue reading. A few posts down, the identification of locomotive will be much, much clearer. ]
Behind it, is the ubiquitous square utility wagon used as tender. Note that there if there is a water tank, it is quite diminutive, if present at all. The water tank, if present, does not appear as early LMR tenders with a barrel or tall square metal box.
Note that R40346 has the transitional type tender, clearly tall and obviously anachronistic.
Then we have chaldrons. Lots and lots of chaldrons. This image purports to be an image of a preserved 1825 chaldron, from the S&DR.
Passengers were seated on boards, cross mounted in the chaldrons according to some reports.
At last, we can see a purpose made passenger carriage.
It appears as a double ended stage coach. The side of the carriage says Stockton Darlington. Hornby should seriously consider this carriage for the 200th Anniversary train packs. Complete with the flag carriage behind it.
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The other pre1835 image is a sketch by P.H. Reynolds. The title by Reynolds states that it is of the opening, yet fails to depict Locomotion No.1. The image appears derivative of Longridge, in all the details portrayed. Included strictly for completeness, the signature states 1834, bottom right.
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At the 50 year anniversary in 1875, several posters were produced. In one of them, we have
This clearly states "Experiment" and that it was the "first railway passenger coach". The double ended carriage is a subsequent coach? There are any number of non-period images which label the double ended carriage Experiment, yet the poster is non-period as well. The 1875 poster is the obvious source of the centenary reproductions. [edit: clarity is brought to the "Experiment" dilemma in a later post. Keep reading!]
Should you encounter any further period images (pre 1845) of the S&DR, I would really like to see them.
Bee
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Atom
Advising someone to use a a tool that isn't designed for the task, as opposed to a tool that was designed for the task, is interesting.
Cables, connectors, pins and conductors are as much art as science. Owning a tool does not guarantee that you know how to use that tool.
Further, having one particular pin extractor does not guarantee that it will function for any random pin. They are sized to the pin, tailor made for the extraction, bespoke for the exact connector. If you know the size and type, then answer Olly's question and tell him.
I will guarantee you that had I observed your practice in any professional environment I was an engineer in, I would have a chat with your supervisor and rejected the cable as deficient.
Bee
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Hello LT&SR_NSE
I was extraordinarily worried when Simon departed. I felt sure that he was the Hornby champion of the LMR range and with him gone, so would the LMR range be gone.
I was very happy to see more offerings and variety. Sovereign (R40445) is a known, named Glass Carriage of the LMR. When it comes into stock, I will likely pick that off with other 'in stock' offerings. I would have pre-ordered that, except £30 shipping on a £35 carriage just didn't sit right. SWMBO would be likely to hang me by my thumbs.
Bee
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Hi Olly
Crimping tools are sized to the conductor. Once you know the gauge (diameter) of the wire, without the insulating jacket, then the size of the pins and crimping tool has a direct relationship. If it isn't printed on the wire itself, measure it.
Having dealt professionally mountains of conductors, I note that you do not have a pin extraction tool as part of your repertoire. Pins lock into the non-conducting surround based on the direction of connector insertion. Inserting the connector should not drive the pins out of the back of the housing. To release a pin, the pin extractor is driven in to the back of the connector hole (where the wire comes out) until the locking pins release, and then the pin and extractor are simultaneously withdrawn.
Bee
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Shapeways has the models! 1 floor, 2 side slats and 2 end slats.
I selected tan fine detail plastic. This will be perfect for the floor color and perhaps not so perfect for the slat sides, as the depictions have either blue or green painted slat sides. I am very mindful that aquatints are representative of the publisher's whimsy, not necessarily representative of LMR colors.
My only concern now are the flimsy posts of those slat sides. I think they may break if I just glance in their general direction. I suspect they will eventually be required to be printed in metal. I selected plastic slat sides to check fit and function. Playing with that first engineering sample will put me on the same path as other manufacturers.
More to come in February, as the first samples arrive
Bee
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Hello Andrew
You mentioned that this railway will be above head height.
Now it is a secret that model locomotives cannot fly. No matter what they tell you, this closely guarded secret is true.
Examining the plan of your layout leads me to believe you will have narrow shelves and bridges supporting the track.
Do not expect your models to start flying like Rudolph when they derail. You should expect them to plummet like a rock, directly down, onto your floor. Where all the magic parts are freed from captivity.
You should plan on some sort of barrier around the edge of your shelves and bridges, to keep the magic parts on your locomotive models.
Bee
PS, This light hearted warning is to prevent later disappointment. Your models will occasionally derail. The real railways do. So will yours.
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Today, 10 January, the website status R30090 transitioned to "In Stock".
While it took 10 days longer than I expected, Hornby practice is now confirmed.
When the expected delivery season transitions from "preorder" to "[blank]", imminent arrival is expected.
I am so excited by the Booth carriage. Based on imagery analysis, I contend this is a first class carriage, used very early on, only in the summer. Contemporary 2nd class carriages never had a roof, nor wall coverings of any type above waist level.
Hornby have also made this carriage available in a single pack, R40438. Look earlier in this thread for multiples of this carriage in one consist.
Bee
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In an effort to confirm I understood the hint properly, I went back to find that part of the conversation. Because it was such a brief exchange, I had to re-listen to everything in the video up to that point.
For the hint, listen starting at time stamp 33:08, as Hornby Head of Brand Martyn recognizes the S&DR anniversary, and potential with Locomotion No.1.
In retrospect, I think I did read too much into it. Martyn clearly has something up his sleeve. When I listened live, I thought he hinted at an 1825 version. That now appears to be just supposition on my part.
I plead guilty. 40 lashes
Bee
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Hello HST Mainline
Your concern was mine as well. Do I gamble, and wait for the 1825 version, or take the sure thing? Did I understand the heavy hint properly, or was that simply wishful thinking on my part, reading too much into what was actually said?
In the end, after hours of deliberation and fence sitting, I decided that I the video of the model running on track was impossible to resist. I have ordered the current version.
I always treat my models with care, so if the 1825 version does come along, I will order it and sell the Era 11 version of Locomotion No.1 on. A safe, if possibly more expensive route.
Your milage may vary of course, but I had no intention of missing out on such an iconic model.
Bee
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After sitting on the fence all day, I finally surrendered. Locomotion No.1 is on order.
Hornby also listened to the request of many. Hornby now have single offerings for carriages like Royal Mail (R40436) and the Booth Carriage (R40438).
Walker shows us multiples of the Booth carriage, in a consist in the Olive Mount Cutting, and so I have ordered a few of those as well.
Bee
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Hello Bexhill Donkey
I do believe that the "Railroad Range" offered by Hornby is overtly stated to be the entry point to starting modelers.
So much so that during the 2024 Range Announcement, Mike explicitly stated that. Now most in the audience were likely not beginners. But the audience may have children and/or grandchildren and the idea of a gift is planted.
Bee
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Locomotion No.1 today is as R346¹ Rocket was to Hornby in 1963. An impossible delight that captures the imagination. Yet I am so completely struggling with it.
First the cons.
1) Just like many other locomotives which capture my eye, this isn't the LMR. Whilst many here do have a more ad hoc approach, I am single minded about my railway of choice. Locomotion No.1 is Stockton and Darlington Railway, not LMR.
2) When ever a bit of novel technology is first made available, there will be novel failures. This valve gear, as Gilbo points out, is certainly in that category. It is never a great idea to be in the first experimental user group.
3) Locomotion No.1 is portrayed as Era 11, preserved. There are anachronistic features that would not have been present in 1825.
Pros
A) The LMR was chartered as a public thoroughfare. Colliery owned chaldrons and locomotives traveled over the rails. The collieries paid a fee for transit over the rails, but maintained their own equipment. The LMR never did own chaldrons.
2) While mechanical drawings of LMR owned coal wagons do exist, they were not as R60164. I already have the Accurascale chaldrons. Locomotion No.1 was a colliery locomotive. The combination of chaldrons and Locomotion No.1 is the fundamental S&DR portrayal, a colliery train.
3) If I am to have a colliery train, therefore, Locomotion No.1 is a natural fit, albeit incorrect. Wrong railway, wrong era.
Better to wait for S&DR Era 1 release? Shake out the novel failures, get the 1825 version of Locomotion No.1. Maybe Hornby will also release the S&DR carriage 'Experiment'.
Bee
¹ Did Hornby deliberately select R30346 as a nod to the past?
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Looking quite good Shaka!
Hornby have stated that Locomotion No.1 will have a NEM pocket, so that it may have either the Accurascale coupling direct to chaldrons or the Hornby finescale chain post.
My solution to the chaldron coupling issue was to make a small loop of wire to fit over the finescale chain post which supported a magnet at the appropriate distance. That is, an adapter from Hornby finescale chain post to Accurascale magnetic coupling. Works a treat, without modifying any delivered component.
But yours, I can see, works equally as well. Well done!
Bee
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You have that exactly right DRC.
Hornby said as much, in both the Range Release video and the Q&A video.
There were heavy hints that Locomotion No.1 would be re-released as Era 1 for the 200 year anniversary of the S&DR, in Era 1 configuration. Not precise words, but heavy hints. The current version being Era 11, current day, preserved.
Bee
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After Range Announcement, Hornby have scheduled a Q&A with Hornby Head of Brand and Hornby Head of Development.
You will find that here
Comments are up to 200 characters long in this format. Get your questions ready!
Bee
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12 hours until Range Announcement 2024
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Hello Vicky
How does the motor sound when out of the chassis? To put it differently, how can you be sure it is the motor itself?
Bee
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For the benefit of those who wish to see Eric's review of the Big Boy Superset:
Just skip beyond Eric singing at the very beginning. A wonderful singing voice it is not.
Atom - Every scale involves some sort of compromise to make it work. Even 7¼" Live Steam has compromises. I am continually confronted by the OO Squish for our narrow track in my CAD designs. So I am not bothered by the size of the flanges for Lionel O scale models.
Unless one is to make life sized "models" to run on miles and miles of actual rail, there will always be a compromise.
At the locomotive manufacturing facility I worked at, there was an internal spur rail network, since the locomotives had to be moved about. Before delivery, the locomotives were test run on a 4 mile length of track. Straight out, along the mainline, straight back. Call it an end to end layout, with an interconnection to the mainline for delivery. That is as close as anyone could come to layout without compromise.
Bee
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Addendum to the LMR Sheep Wagons
P.H. Reynolds made some consist style sketches of the LMR in 1834. Of course, this makes them long beyond copyright protection.
I was looking over the 2nd class consist he sketched and noticed that there is a sheep wagon in the rear. Further, Reynolds shows it being unloaded, making it possibly the only depiction of the sheep wagon with a ramp attached.
There are two basic types of ramps. One is the board style, the other an earthen ramp. This is clearly the board style.
The image may be zoomed.
Pulling the consist is "Liver", LMR26. We can be sure it is Liver, because it is the only Bury type locomotive on the LMR. Bury locomotives have that dome shaped firebox. Reynolds denotes the image is of 1833 in his title, Liver delivered to the LMR in 1832.
Next is a transitional tender, with the square metal box for water, replacing the wooden barrel. Note the height of the coal load, far beyond the load sizes provided for Era 1 models.
The carriage behind the tender is unknown to me. It is not the standard 2nd class, compare it to the carriage immediately behind.
Next is the standard 2nd class. The "blue" carriages modeled by Hornby, but here in brown, not blue.
Next, there are four 2nd class carriages with the round bottom doors. The seat backs could be shifted from front to back, permitting multiple rows of passengers to all face the same way, just as depicted!
Behind that, there is the slat side wagon, slightly obscured by the red circle. I have been drafting this model in CAD. Interestingly, it appears as if cargo is being loaded into the slat side wagon with a small overhead crane.
Behind that is the sheep wagon, previously noted, and last is a horse wagon.
Of further note is the mixing of 2nd class carriages with freight and livestock. All of the other consist depictions, by Ackermann, Crane, Austen, Freeling and Walker split the consist depictions into one of four classes: 1st Class Trains (passenger) , 2nd Class Trains (passenger), mixed freight trains and livestock trains.
I thought to update the review with this note, keeping the information under the same heading.
Bee
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Hi Atom
Eric recently reviewed a "Big Boy Superset" in O gauge Vision Line. The list price of that set was $4499.99 or £3542. Just a wee bit more than Hornby Dublo.
Hi 81F
You wrote "Working Dynamometer" car with connection to a PC. Call me +1 on that.
1) Working load cell on the front of the car, so as to be able to measure applied tractive effort.
2) Working load cell of the rear of the car, so as to be able to measure the frictional drag of the consist.
3) Velocity via an encoded axle.
4) Accelerometer, single axis arranged longitudinally. Measure applied acceleration. Stephenson's Dynamometer intrigues me!
5) Bluetooth connectivity.
Yes, I am +1
Bee
Carriages / Wagons for Locomotion No.1
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Hello Rana
Oh how I wish I could tell you that your childhood image of Locomotion No.1 was an authentic period image. Sadly, I cannot.
The artist who created your image was Robert Ayton, 1915-1985. He worked for Ladybird Books and created several others in the "The Story of..." series.
But your image is in the spirit of things, so thank you!
Bee