Edvard4 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 How about launching a range of modern rolling stock. I have not seen too much of late, a Clam, Rudd and a few Hoppers, but other manufacturers seem to have quite a range of new style equipment such as Ballast Trains etc. Is there going to be a breed of new enthisiasts that want to build modern layouts with modern loco's. I cannot be brand loyal to Hornby if they do not have the right rolling stock to be hauled with the modern locos. Take the new Drax, loco by Hornby, but Bio Mass wagons by some one else.....? Food for thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malB Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Whilst I quite agree with you proposal of some modern stock being produced by Hornby. In some regards your suggestion proposes a "monopoly" [and I'm not trying to be hostile or negative here] with just one maker. After all most of the suppliers have over the years standardised an assortment of things for instance they use the same type couplings. And some specialise in particular areas i.e. Peco are well know for making assorted trackwork, that's more specialist than the run of the mill set track pieces from both Hornby and Bachmann. I think most of us on here have stock from the likes of Hornby, Bachmann, Replica Railways and from the past Airfix, Mainline, Lima Wrenn and of course Triang/Triang-Hornby. OK the current outfit have acquired Aifix and Lima, they used include Wrenn but the pair went their separate ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 It is a huge mistake to be brand loyal. Buy what you want from who ever makes it. If you don't you will miss out on an awful lot of products. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Fully agree WTD. Hornby cannot be expected to make everything, and if the six main RTR manufacturers behaved sensibly there would be a huge variety for us to choose from. Sadly they don't always behave sensibly, and seem to delight in bringing out exactly the same model, at almost exactly the same time as one of the others. Who would have guessed for instance that the LSWR 0415 Adams Radial would appear this year, let alone from two competing suppliers!! Same with the BR (S) 2550hp Bo-Bo electric loco, this time from a different source. Competing in this way doesn't help sales, and really should be stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slornie Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 On the other hand, that such duplication does happen is a sign of a healthy market. It's actually illegal for companies to share information with other businesses where it might reduce competition (e.g. Hornby telling Oxford behind closed doors that they were working on the Adams Radial before formally announcing it). Types of anti-competitive activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 It is a shame when duplication appear though, there's plenty of stuff that hasn't been made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edvard4 Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 It was just as suggestion as the Forum header states " Wish List", clearly Applic Inc had the same issue with people being "Brand Loyal" they make millions !!! LOL. on the other hand, yes I do agree with the likes of WTD that there are other makes out there and as Slornie says it makes for healthy competition. I do own one non Hornby wagon. A nuclear flask wagon from Bachmann. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fazy Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Hornby over the last couple of decades have let the ball slip with wagons. Not only with today's wagons but also older wagons for BR. And the dark side has gone storming ahead with the the wagons. However I do think Hornby have started to put this right with new wagons over the last couple of years. Doing a good model to high standards well at the same time keeping the price down as much as possible. So yes still more work to do. I am always going to be biassed towards BR stock. but now I can see Hornby doing new decent wagons it won't be long before some new modern stock comes along just don't expect one's already being made by another company. And putting some suggestions on here can't hurt ether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 It's actually illegal for companies to share information with other businesses where it might reduce competition (e.g. Hornby telling Oxford behind closed doors that they were working on the Adams Radial before formally announcing it). Types of anti-competitive activity. Just had a read of that link to HM Gov's anti-competitive activity ideas and if everyone stuck to all those dictates then all the industry in the world would close down. .e.g the one about not agreeing to reduce production to affect market economy - is that exactly what the oil business does with its cartels. Why can't a business like Hornby just publish a list of things they intend to do ahead of time and let others in the same business sector decide if they do/don't want to make similar product, or would that be classed as economic suicide by telling your competitors what you are doing in case they beat you to the finish post and steal your market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 I think it's right to suggest Hornby make all sorts of things and this is the place to do it, but don't just buy from one company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slornie Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Just had a read of that link to HM Gov's anti-competitive activity ideas and if everyone stuck to all those dictates then all the industry in the world would close down. .e.g the one about not agreeing to reduce production to affect market economy - is that exactly what the oil business does with its cartels. To quote from one of my favourite novels: "Petty larceny on the part of the individual is theft. When governments engage in grand larceny, it's economics." Private cartels between businesses are illegal; public cartels sponsored by or involving government (like OPEC) are not. Why can't a business like Hornby just publish a list of things they intend to do ahead of time and let others in the same business sector decide if they do/don't want to make similar product, or would that be classed as economic suicide by telling your competitors what you are doing in case they beat you to the finish post and steal your market. I think if Hornby were to publically release their forward plan of model development that would be fine; it's when there is private information sharing that it becomes anti-competitive. As you say, there is definitely a level of risk involved in pre-announcement like that which is probably why it doesn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postman Prat Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Everyone is saying Hornby should release info about their forward programme, plans etc Why just Hornby? It would only work if the others did the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulver Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Quite so, PP, my thoughts exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poliss Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Release their plans? Not a good idea. They released plans for loco detection and people complain loudly that it hasn't arrived. The same thing would happen if they said they were planning such and such a loco and it didn't arrive for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Dead right poliss. Can you imagine the number of posts there'd be asking if anybody knew when such and such was going to be released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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