Tony57 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 It is great to see the APT back in production with a number of new intermediate cars, I am hopeing that being an owner of the original 5 Cap APT that the new ones will have the same bogie connections as the old one so I can add new intermediate cars and if needs be the new power cars to my existing train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Don't hold your breath! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRail 642fan Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 its a new tooling, so i doubt it'll have backward compatibily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 In one swell foop Hornby has devalued my collection! I had been hoarding the old five car APT they made back in the early 1980s in the certain knowledge that Hornby would not consider making another model of this 'White Elephant', that couldn't make it from Glasgow to London in a typical English winter. Oh dear, Oh well I still have a couple of SR L1s to fall back on 😮 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bexhill Donkey Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 The APT was a 'white elephant' because the tilt mechanism was hydraulic. An Italian company developed the idea further, using gyroscopes instead and used the name 'Pendolino' to mean 'tilting'. Although the APT had to be withdrawn from service because it caused passengers to experience motion sickness, it wasn't a total failure and it lives on as the Pendolino. The original Hornby model has been condemned by the YouTube contributor 'AY76'. The bogies are weak and the motor bogie is easily broken. One can only hope that with new tooling the new model is not cursed by the problems that bedevilled the real train! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulleidboy Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 I watched a "Pete Waterman" video the other day - and he owned the APT at one time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Strictly speaking the successor to the APT was the class 91, which with the Mark 4 carriages running on non-tilting Swiss bogies have served the ECML well for nearly 30 years. The Pendolino, despite the tilt is very unlike the original APT and much less pleasant to travel in than the Mark 4. The Pendolino if nothing else has that Virgin Trains smell of stale lavatory tank contents also noticable in 220 and 221 vehicles. The seats are cramped too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 I always thought the Pendo prototype looked a little bit Ho compared to such as HST and Class 90/91, etc. No wonder the seats are cramped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Possibly the carriages are 'undersized' in certain aspects as they're tilting, to fit within the loading gauge, as well as being quite long? Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fazy Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 I thought the APT failed because the UK government didn't invest enough into the prototype as they saw the train dead. And perfered to put much more money into another white elephant concord. And has such the teething problems were never fully sorted out as the APT was run on a shoestring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shane_barry Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Does anyone know what the 7 car pack contains as I cannot see a listing anywhere, I would guess the core modules of DTSTBFNDMTBFDTSnot sure which of the following options it is but if someone knows can they please say so I dont over orderTSTRSBTUTF Thanks all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 There doesn't appear to be sufficient information to determine what is in the packs, but comparing the information so far givenR3873 the 5 car rake will probably contain DTS 48103 and 48104, and TF 48603 and 48604 plus 49003 City of Derby .R3874 the 7 car rake will probably contain DTS 48101 and 48102, and TS 48601 and 48602 plus 49001 plus two more vehicles The TF is a end of rake vehicle.Hopefully the catalogue will reveal all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shane_barry Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 From information I have seen elsewhere its based on the formation in the image below:normal 5 car set plus additional Non Driving Motor car and a APT-U non articulated coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWR-Gordon-4 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 I am glad the APT is back in the Hornby range. It has been a long time since Hornby last produced it. I can't wait to see the final released model. GNR-Gordon-4 (HF) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 I do have the formations that existed in June 1982 which are mixed up from the original allocations. The DTS and TBF are OK but all the other cars are mixed up. Set -DTS- TS- TRBS- TU- TF- TBF 370001-48101-48201-48406-48303-48505-48601370002-48102-48202-48405-48301-48506-48602 370003-48103-48204-48404-48302-48501-48603370004-48104-48206-48402-48305-48502-48604370005-48105-48203-48403-48304-48503-48605370006-48106-48205-48401-48306-48504-48606spare-48107-----48607 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMSFan72 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Interestingly the article in the just released Hornby Magazine says the 7-car has an additional non driving motor car (dummy rather than motorised I'd guess). I am struggling with that though as an APT was, I thought, made up of 2 sets back to back. If there is an additional motor car then that would need an even number of cars in a set, wouldn't it - to give it the symmetry?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Perhaps it is an unbalanced model, DTS - TS - TBF - NDM - NDM - TBF - DTS? The real one did operate from time to time with cars missing./media/tinymce_upload/deb3ba62d6835822c306da2c9009c719.jpgThere is only a DTS and TBF at this end . /media/tinymce_upload/89c4ae0fd2eaf03d946277d585acfaea.jpgBut a TBF and DTS plus other carriages at this end.There is something odd happening with the articulation under the coach 48204 nearest the camera. /media/tinymce_upload/07cc6b5197f35a4d5c9f651b6269c5b0.jpgThis is what they are like under the nose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shane_barry Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 I did try posting a link that linked to the picture Hornby uses of the 7 car set but its not approved but later pictures are?Anyway in the 7 car pack is 2 Non Driving Motors and the APT-U to model the APT-Developmental set that ran as part of testing for the MKIV plans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCDR Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 After posting above I find I already had the answer in my pictures I took at Crewe all those years ago. The 7 car train is formed DTS, TBF, NDM, NDM, TS (special ) 48204, TBF, DTS. The APT U car 48204 is the middle one of my pictures above, nearest the camera, between the NDM and a TBF. It has bogies each end whereas otherwise only the NDM had this arrangement. All the other cars shared at least one bogie with an adjacent vehicle. I am curious to see how Hornby tackle this on this latest version. The Eurostar 373 articulation is a complete bogie that is clipped via catches on the end of the coaches, wheras the original APT model had divided bogies fixed to each carriage that clipped together with tongue and slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony57 Posted January 9, 2020 Author Share Posted January 9, 2020 As the starter of this thread the other question has to be how are Hornby going to replicate the tilting of the train as it goes around corners as well as the shared bogie between the intermediate coaches. Maybe they will use the original bogie setup from the original model..It is a times like this I miss Simon says blogs or a faster update from the engine shed team.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 I had an original APT and was very impressed with the way it tilted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 The new 2020 catalogue list the unit road numbers for all train and coach packs and I presume from that someone can cross match those with type designation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sootei Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 The price might put some people off buying it depends if it will be popular .i have just visited a model shop in Norwich where the Owner phoned Hornby for the Rocket model according to Hornby they have sold out!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingthedog Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Apparently the retailers knew the 2020 range on the 10 December. Plenty of time to get the orders in you would think. 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shane_barry Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 The price might put some people off buying it depends if it will be popular .i have just visited a model shop in Norwich where the Owner phoned Hornby for the Rocket model according to Hornby they have sold out!!!They were limited editions I believe, I have pre-ordered one via my chosen supplier, I know he is with Hornby this week for retailers get together so not heard yet if I ordered in time or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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