wapples Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 OUCH! Not quite sure where to pop this one. I adore my Hornby Elite controller but with the new layout was wondering if we can save some leg work ideally can I buy something and use an app or remote control or happy to have a hard wired remote or connected controller at the other end.Possibilities available ?cheersOP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RB51 Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 I take it you’ve seen the HM7000 article?https://uk.hornby.com/hm7000Does that not meet your needs? When available obviously.R- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dBerriff Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 My understanding:To use the HM7000 app with non-Bluetooth decoders you will need a HM7000 “dongle” (R7326). This is plugged into the Elite (or Select).A Select can also be used as a hard-wired “Walkabout” controller I believe, but I have not looked into that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RB51 Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 Thats right the dongle R7326/HM7040 is required for non-BLE decoder control.R- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wapples Posted March 10, 2023 Author Share Posted March 10, 2023 Well I just forked out the $86 Pounds PLUS P&H for the PRE ORDER of thisHM7040https://uk.hornby.com/products/hm7040-legacy-dongle-existing-dcc-controllers-r7326Is this correct that I will be able to control my layout from my Hornby Elite through to my IOS device wirelessly (BT) Has anyone had a play with this as yet?Thanks OP -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Yes I did see that which is what brought me here. I have no intention of touching the insides of my locos or changing chips etc. Very very happy with how everything works might just need to loom a longer lead and walk around with controller lol. Just thought there might be some third party add on incouldplug into elite and interface with iPhone. Kind of like RAIL LINK 2.0I take it you’ve seen the HM7000 article?https://uk.hornby.com/hm7000Does that not meet your needs? When available obviously.R- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog RJ Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 The nearest thing to a remote ATM is a Hornby Select. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yelrow Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 simply buy a select and a walkabout cable. job done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminaire Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 It looks like the HM7000 dongle and HM DCC app will solve this problem by allowing the phone to talk DCC through the Elite.Theres a very hacky solution I cobbled together which allows the Roco Z21 app or their wireless Maus throttle to remotely control an Elite. But it needs a PC running Rocrail as an intermediary. But for the joy of wireless control of locos with a physical throttle it’s quite fun. https://uk.hornby.com/community/forum/hornby-elite-wireless-throttle-and-app-control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry-350851 Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 simply buy a select and a walkabout cable. job done With the caveat that having a Select connected has functionality implications, which using the dongle and phone won't. Although it doesn't matter if they only use 2 digit addressing? Edit: Predictive text got the wrong word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hipwell Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 You can also use the elite plugged into a laptop running railmaster and then use the railmaster mobile website. I tried it but the connection was too unstable for me to enjoy it. Could have been my WiFi setup so worth a try, I don't think railmaster on its own is too expensive, and the full mobile bolt on it about 12 quid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishmanoz Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 Railmaster mobile website - I think you mean RM HH or handheld here. Full details in the HH guide/manual downloaded to your desktop as part of RM.Nothing new here, it’s been part of RM for years. The iOS version works better than other operating systems (plural) available.More flexible/capable than HM | DCC currently. You can control locos from your Elite/RM screen/HH simultaneously and you can control points as per RM.And for reliable operation, you need to use fixed IP addressing on your PC/laptop.Hipwell has the price pretty right. Additional copies after your first are half price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yelrow Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 I have RM with laptop, NO need for wifi at layout, an Elite and 3 Select Walkabouts, with specially made 3 metre cables. There is nowhere i cant get a controller to. Out of interest, on my DC layout i also have 2 walkabout controllers from a Morley controller. All i need now, are new legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 If you don’t want the hard-wired walkabout controller option then the new HM DCC app is a wireless solution. At present it operates HM7000 decoders remotely but with the addition of the HM7040 legacy dongle plugged into the Elite you can also operate you existing decoders from the app.At the moment available on iOS but Android version is on its way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yelrow Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 Rob, hi, at least with the hard wired stuff, you can see/ remember where it is. All this new fangled stuff seems very losable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 Agreed John and having multiple walkabout handsets is easier on a wire than over the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTSR_NSE Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 Just my opinion & no disrespect to anyone else…A tablet being both larger & heavier than most of my locos - seems no more losable than them (or a hardback book). A phone is smaller and therefore admittedly slightly more losable, but if treated like keys or wallet, it should never leave your side.Wired walkabout controllers on the other hand, sound like a recipe for entanglement and either trips & falls, or damage to controllers/layout.I guess everyone uses what feels most comfortable & appropriate for them! grinning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yelrow Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 LT, Elite plus 3 walkabouts is 4 iPads , needed if you are going to leave them on layout. My layout is 54 foot round, so fair way to walk back if you need to. From my chair to mid far side should loco come off, some way there and back. Much easier to put back from where it derailed with Select. As for mobile phone, mine is 30 years old and in no way smart, so waste of Time. Each of course to their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTSR_NSE Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 Yelrow - You would only need 4 iPads, to allow 4 individuals separate simultaneous control. If only yourself controlling, just keep it beside your chair & take it with you when you attend to derailments.An advantage of Bluetooth/wireless is that you could only need a single handset regardless how many locos (or even layouts) you have - provided you keep it with you.However wired/wireless control is probably the next DC/DCC debate - so I’ll relinquish the soapbox! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilbo2 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 So if you go the down the route of Elite+legacy dongle+HM7000 app for remote operation, can you also control points (wired to the original accessory decoder R8247) through the new app? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 Not yet. The R8247 can only be operated direct by the Elite and dependant upon if your points are on a separate accessory bus then possibly only by a second DCC controller.The app can only control the HM6010 points and accessories module if that is powered by DC. If powered by DCC then it can only be operated by a DCC controller. Confused ??The HM6010 has no equivalent of loco decoder CV12 which allows a user to flip between Bluetooth and DCC. It is locked in one mode or the other by its power supply type.In the fullness of time the app will be updated to do as you require. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilbo2 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 Thanks for the info. I only have a single bus which everything hangs off, so that part sounds OK. Seems like I need to wait for the app to be updated then, as I wouldn't want to go down the HM6010 route as it wouldn't make sense for my DCC setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yelrow Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 LT, by having 4 controllers the village children are able to enjoy my layout as well. Hence if i went your route i pad would Not be enough. It is , as we say horses for courses. I am afraid at 79, i will not be convinced or converted to this gadgetry. Been a good discussion though, back to head in sand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wapples Posted August 9, 2023 Author Share Posted August 9, 2023 Well I just forked out the $86 Pounds PLUS P&H for the PRE ORDER of thisHM7040https://uk.hornby.com/products/hm7040-legacy-dongle-existing-dcc-controllers-r7326Is this correct that I will be able to control my layout from my Hornby Elite through to my IOS device wirelessly (BT) Has anyone had a play with this as yet?ThanksOP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brew Man Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 From what you say, i think it's the other way round. What you can do is control your non-BT decoders from the App, via the dongle. The signal then goes from the dongle to your Elite to perform the command. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 Correct BM. The HM DCC app on the iPad sends Bluetooth commands to the dongle. The dongle tells the Elite and the Elite sends DCC commands to the rails to control your regular locos.Any number of regular decoders can be assigned to the dongle.If your Elite has 2 Xpressnet slots then you can use 2 dongles and 2 iPads can send commands to 2 sets of locos via one Elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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