It needs to be pointed out that Hornby made it quite clear that they do not want a "chat room" type of Forum by removing our "Off Topic" forum. That changed the Forum usage dramatically as we could no longer let topics drift off to other comments involving cars, planes, holidays etc and a bit of banter. So there is good reason why this Forum is now just for the purpose of directly answering member's queries in a business like fashion. Accusations of curtness and lack of patience is ridiculous when the amount of knowledge displayed in some lengthy replies and research undertaken to get the OP's a satisfactory solution is obvious. So those of you who are just here to complain are irritating and spoiling the Forum which can get along successfully without you........HB