Tim-1330659 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Hi, I'm fairly new to the hobby and want to go completely with HM7000. I have an 08 and a back-ordered HM7000-6. Just wondering how long they are likely to be, It's hard getting a firm answer from my local supplier. Anyone got one in stock? Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTSR_NSE Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 @Tim-1330659 - the 6pin HM7k decoder is (as far as anyone can tell) still in development/production. According to the website current ETA is end of September - however estimates can obviously be subject to unforeseen change/delays. So nobody is going to have stock for a while yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Test team haven't seen them yet so they will not be in the shops for a long while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMD Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Morning Tim You’re not the only one longing for HM7k with the 08! But it’s definitely going to be a while. I keep hoping that Hornby will spring a nice surprise and get them in stock early, but from RAFs comment we can’t expect any such miracles! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moccasin Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 If you can't wait and you have an Elite or Select Controller (maybe from OO DCC?), then using another manufacturer's 6-pin decoder and the legacy dongle will get you HM7000 Bluetooth control quicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brew Man Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 (edited) What's the problem with the 08? I'm assuming it's the Class 08 being referred to, in which case an 8 pin full TXS sound decoder fits easily, plus stay alive. Or is the OP on TT120, in which case I can't comment. Edited February 20 by Brew Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moccasin Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Just now, Brew Man said: What's the problem with the 08? I'm assuming it's the Class 08 being referred to, in which case an 8 pin full TXS sound decoder fits easily, plus stay alive. Not if it's the TT 08 - the changes necessary to fit an 8-pin sound decoder into that would defeat many of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baz657 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 I spoke to George (the HM7000 guru) at Rails on Friday. It's the world-wide chip shortage that isn't helping the delay. If you're waiting for the bluetooth chip (DCC is possible with standard chips) the current situation suggests it's going to be close to the year end when they're available in the shops, at the earliest. It's annoying to me as I'm solely HM7000 and, apart from running in using DC when it first arrived, my Class 08 is still in the box. I'll probably not be able to use it properly until after the warranty either runs out, or is close to it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RB51 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Same here @Baz657 - but the chip problem is affecting so many products. R- 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moccasin Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 I was lucky enough to have a Hornby Select controller from an old OO DC set, which I've been able to use my 08 with, having bought a standard DCC 6-pin chip. It's still not ideal to have Sadly, without an existing Select or Elite, it gets expensive. While pre-loved Selects are available online for £40-60, by the time you've added a decoder for £30 and then considered a dongle or replacing the stand-in 6-pin with an HM7000 6-pin when it becomes available, you're looking at £100+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew-372848 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 12 minutes ago, Baz657 said: It's annoying to me as I'm solely HM7000 and, apart from running in using DC when it first arrived, my Class 08 is still in the box. I'll probably not be able to use it properly until after the warranty either runs out, or is close to it. I was in the same boat, but decided to fork out for an Elite controller as I struggled a little with the HM7000 App on my iPad. I put a Gaugemaster Ruby decoder in my TT:120 08 which works fine. However, I’m also going to try the legacy dongle with the Elite as I now have quite a few DCC point motors which require a fair amount of knob twiddling on the Elite! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RB51 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Yup, I've got a Gaugemaster Gem 6 pin in mine R- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilbo2 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 2 minutes ago, Andrew-372848 said: ....now have quite a few DCC point motors which require a fair amount of knob twiddling on the Elite! Have you thought about RailMaster or TGG (TGG Info)? Does make life easier to control from a PC/Laptop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 11 minutes ago, Andrew-372848 said: I was in the same boat, but decided to fork out for an Elite controller as I struggled a little with the HM7000 App on my iPad. I put a Gaugemaster Ruby decoder in my TT:120 08 which works fine. However, I’m also going to try the legacy dongle with the Elite as I now have quite a few DCC point motors which require a fair amount of knob twiddling on the Elite! Dongle doesn't cater for legacy point operation from the app yet, but it will later on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew-372848 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 13 minutes ago, gilbo2 said: Have you thought about RailMaster or TGG (TGG Info)? Does make life easier to control from a PC/Laptop. I did have a look at RailMaster. However, I don’t have any Windows machines and attempted to install it on a VM on my Mac (desktop). It appeared to be working, but did lose comms with the Elite. I wasn’t too impressed with the interface, a bit last century! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilbo2 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 5 minutes ago, Andrew-372848 said: I did have a look at RailMaster. However, I don’t have any Windows machines and attempted to install it on a VM on my Mac (desktop). It appeared to be working, but did lose comms with the Elite. I wasn’t too impressed with the interface, a bit last century! Yes, a Windows machine is needed, not sure if TGG would work with a VM on a Mac. @96RAF ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 No it doesn't work with a Mac direct but may work thru' Parallels. Ask @St1ngr4y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew-372848 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 4 minutes ago, 96RAF said: No it doesn't work with a Mac direct but may work thru' Parallels. Ask @St1ngr4y Thanks. If I can get hold of the installation media I can easily install it and see how it performs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishmanoz Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishmanoz Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 (edited) Posted above only 6 minutes ago and already I cannot edit it to add this applies to fitting an HM7000-N18TXS plus Power Bank to a TT:120 08. Ridiculous! Edited February 20 by Fishmanoz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinB Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 6 minutes ago, Fishmanoz said: Posted above only 6 minutes ago and already I cannot edit it to add this applies to fitting an HM7000-N18TXS plus Power Bank to a TT:120 08. Ridiculous! It is probably the 15 minute window. The time is measured from when you entered the first post to the end of the edit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritInVanCA Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 @Fishmanoz if your reference is to the “This Way Works” method it’s pretty fiddly. He will do it for you but is expensive. Modeloco fitted a sound chip but not HM7000 from what I remember Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishmanoz Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 (edited) Yes, it’s the TWW method and very fiddly including grinding out the inside of the body so the decoder fits across it, removing the upper motor mounting and removing internal cab detail to fit the PB which also needs its shrink wrap removed. Not to mention fine soldering to connect the decoder and the various lights included. Assuming you want to go that far. Edited February 21 by Fishmanoz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDS Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 21 hours ago, Andrew-372848 said: I was in the same boat, but decided to fork out for an Elite controller as I struggled a little with the HM7000 App on my iPad. I put a Gaugemaster Ruby decoder in my TT:120 08 which works fine. However, I’m also going to try the legacy dongle with the Elite as I now have quite a few DCC point motors which require a fair amount of knob twiddling on the Elite! If I have read your post correctly, you are hoping to use the legacy Dongle to operate your points? The HM7000 App does not yet enable you to operate Points. I have many Points on my layout but I use RailMaster to operate them, which is a simple mouse click on the corresponding Point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96RAF Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 1 hour ago, RDS said: If I have read your post correctly, you are hoping to use the legacy Dongle to operate your points? The HM7000 App does not yet enable you to operate Points. I have many Points on my layout but I use RailMaster to operate them, which is a simple mouse click on the corresponding Point. To expand on my post yesterday about operating legacy points from the app using the dongle. What I said stands, but if you need to operate points now via the app then you have to use the HM6010 module, which is the bluetooth enabled equivalent of the legacy R8247 v2.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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